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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Would you like to deny that the US will be blaming Iran if the talks fail, hmm?
    Well, Iran is the one denying any access to military sites or other key nuclear facilities. So technically, it would be Iran's fault if talks fail.

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But why must the end result in this situation be war? Wouldn't keeping the sanctions in place be more reasonable than fighting Iran when we opened these negotiations in the first place? Why should failure to reach an agreement necessitate going to war?
    Try again. Not advocating war as the first or immediate action, have I?

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    I disagree. You may think so, but that's hardly the only option for engagement that's typically used. While military action may always be on the table, it, most appropriately, is the last one used by either side of the political isle.
    Military action must always remain on the table as the last resort, and many from both sides of the political isle have said so, and have acted in accordance with that principal.

    If you don't keep that final military option on the table, all you'll be is a paper tiger, and you'll have the level of international respect from both enemies and allies a like that Obama has managed. "speak softly, and carry a big stick."]
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Try again. Not advocating war as the first or immediate action, have I?
    Nor have I claimed that you've advocated such. All I'm asking is why should war even be an option in this case since it was the U.S. who broached the idea of getting Iran to pull back from their nuclear ambitions? If they don't pull back, why would war even be an option when all we'd have to do is continue doing what we've been doing - maintaining or strengthening the sanctions against them?

    Military action must always remain on the table as the last resort, and many from both sides of the political isle have said so, and have acted in accordance with that principal.

    If you don't keep that final military option on the table, all you'll be is a paper tiger, and you'll have the level of international respect from both enemies and allies a like that Obama has managed. "speak softly, and carry a big stick."]
    I can certainly understand having the military option in other situations, but since this was an issue of our own doing, I fail to see a reason to go to war just because either side pulls out of these negotiations.
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Nor have I claimed that you've advocated such. All I'm asking is why should war even be an option in this case since it was the U.S. who broached the idea of getting Iran to pull back from their nuclear ambitions?
    You've not read the statement of mine below.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If they don't pull back, why would war even be an option when all we'd have to do is continue doing what we've been doing - maintaining or strengthening the sanctions against them?
    Again, you've not read my statement below. War is always on the table, and always the last possible option.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I can certainly understand having the military option in other situations, but since this was an issue of our own doing, I fail to see a reason to go to war just because either side pulls out of these negotiations.
    No one advocated going to war just because they've pulled out of negotiations. But if Iran does develop, or comes close to developing, nuclear weapons, it's likely that either the US or Israel (or possibly someone else) is going to bomb those facilities to stop that progress. I can't think of a single nation that would rather have Iran with nuclear weapons. Can you?
    Nancy Pelosi said: “We have to pass it, to find out what’s in it.” A Doctor called to a radio show & said: "That's the definition of a stool sample"
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    You've not read the statement of mine below.


    Again, you've not read my statement below. War is always on the table, and always the last possible option.
    I have read your statement three times now. What's the difference between "a call for war" and exercising a "military option"? If not all out war, what is it? A military blockade on Iran's sea ports? And what would that get us? How long do we not engage before we do engage with full military force?

    I think even considering any type of military option over an issue WE initiated (re: nuclear reduction negotiations) would be just as foolish as going to war in Iraq over WMDs we couldn't verify they had beforehand.

    No one advocated going to war just because they've pulled out of negotiations. But if Iran does develop, or comes close to developing, nuclear weapons, it's likely that either the US or Israel (or possibly someone else) is going to bomb those facilities to stop that progress. I can't think of a single nation that would rather have Iran with nuclear weapons. Can you?
    No, not really. But the world didn't come unglued when Pakistan and NKor got nukes. I think we can survive Iran although it wouldn't be ideal.
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    You've not read the statement of mine below.


    Again, you've not read my statement below. War is always on the table, and always the last possible option.



    No one advocated going to war just because they've pulled out of negotiations. But if Iran does develop, or comes close to developing, nuclear weapons, it's likely that either the US or Israel (or possibly someone else) is going to bomb those facilities to stop that progress. I can't think of a single nation that would rather have Iran with nuclear weapons. Can you?
    Greetings, Erik:

    Iran got what they wanted, and they didn't have to get pinned down by signing anything. The sanctions have been lifted; they've been given delay after delay in agreeing to anything important; their people still chant Death to America; Russia supposedly took their excess uranium, but left them enough "to provide electricity for their people," or to make one nuclear bomb, which is really all they need; they were able to make an announcement during Ramadan, which was very important to them; they still sponsor terrorists; and they still want Israel to disappear. All in all, they should be happy. What did we get?

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I have read your statement three times now. What's the difference between "a call for war" and exercising a "military option"?
    No one is calling for war, limited military action nor all out war, however, those options MUST remain on the table, as possible responses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If not all out war, what is it? A military blockade on Iran's sea ports?
    A possibility should continued aggressive Iranian naval actions continue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And what would that get us?
    It would escalate the situation to the point where the Iranians may relent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    How long do we not engage before we do engage with full military force?
    We are engaging now in negotiations, but it seems that the Iranians are not serious and making a game of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think even considering any type of military option over an issue WE initiated (re: nuclear reduction negotiations) would be just as foolish as going to war in Iraq over WMDs we couldn't verify they had beforehand.
    Sadaam used chemical WMDs in the Kurds. So they never had them? really?
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    No, not really. But the world didn't come unglued when Pakistan and NKor got nukes. I think we can survive Iran although it wouldn't be ideal.
    Different countries and different situations. They are not comparable.
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Erik:

    Iran got what they wanted, and they didn't have to get pinned down by signing anything. The sanctions have been lifted; they've been given delay after delay in agreeing to anything important; their people still chant Death to America; Russia supposedly took their excess uranium, but left them enough "to provide electricity for their people," or to make one nuclear bomb, which is really all they need; they were able to make an announcement during Ramadan, which was very important to them; they still sponsor terrorists; and they still want Israel to disappear. All in all, they should be happy. What did we get?
    We get told we are "arrogant" by Iran.

    To a leftist, this somehow seems like a good deal.

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We get told we are "arrogant" by Iran.

    To a leftist, this somehow seems like a good deal.
    Greetings, US Conservative.

    It's a game of chicken, and it looks like Iran won this one! And we're the arrogant one? Are the other countries that were in on the negotiating process also arrogant, or are we somehow "special?"

    I'm glad to see DP up and running again!
    Last edited by polgara; 07-12-15 at 08:46 PM.

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, US Conservative.

    It's a game of chicken, and it looks like Iran won this one! And we're the arrogant one? Are the other countries that were in on the negotiating process also arrogant, or are we somehow "special?"

    I'm glad to see DP up and running again!
    Apparently, and this is no doubt the fruit of more Obama "smart diplomacy". And they are still trying to illegally buy nuke weapon parts, as recently as last month.

    Yup glad DP is back up. I didn't even know it was going down.

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