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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Could care less about treaties and resolutions to be frank......
    That is the central problem the EU, Euroland and all those other European thingamajigs have.

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

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    Why should that be funny? Or are you referring to the nuclear plant that the Russians supplied? That might have assisted the weapons program, but it was legal at the time.
    Funny=oddity in the context.
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok. So let's ignore the fact that the US too exports terrorism, already has and has used the nuclear bomb, and twist off over hypotheticals. The rights always so fearful, despite the fact that the US has a military budget that dwarfs all others.
    OK, so ignore all the context of history to justify an international national pariah, a Muslim theocracy, gaining nuclear weapons technology.

    One suicide bomber with such a device, dirty or explosive, would cause how much damage, loss of life?

    In the calculus of risk management, there's likelihood, impact and consequences, and cost to prevent or mediate the risk.

    The likelihood is not zero (may be as high as 50%), the impact and consequences are huge (this is what Israel is concerned with), and the costs to mediate are less.

    Ignoring it surely isn't going to make it go away, but make it more likely that Iran will, in fact, develop nuclear arms, and it's making the community of nations quite rightly very anxious.
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    ....... they just want to dominate everyone .......
    Don't always think that others are like you. That is a fault you often fall prey to that makes the world look even bleaker than it already is.

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

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    OK, so ignore all the context of history to justify an international national pariah, a Muslim theocracy, gaining nuclear weapons technology.

    One suicide bomber with such a device, dirty or explosive, would cause how much damage, loss of life?

    In the calculus of risk management, there's likelihood, impact and consequences, and cost to prevent or mediate the risk.

    The likelihood is not zero (may be as high as 50%), the impact and consequences are huge (this is what Israel is concerned with), and the costs to mediate are less.

    Ignoring it surely isn't going to make it go away, but make it more likely that Iran will, in fact, develop nuclear arms, and it's making the community of nations quite rightly very anxious.
    Oh I've never been an advocate to ignore problems, right here in this thread I've endeavored to show you the failures in USFP that create crisis and enemies, and the hypocrisies of such policies along the way.
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh I've never been an advocate to ignore problems, right here in this thread I've endeavored to show you the failures in USFP that create crisis and enemies, and the hypocrisies of such policies along the way.
    Engagement seems to be more effective than isolationism.

    Granted the colorful US history in FP, it might lead one to believe that often there aren't good choices available, and one of the lessor of multiple evils has to be chosen, or the option of ignoring is all that's left.
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And why should they?

    Lets make a deal... if Iran has to give away with such scrutiny.. why does the US and Israel not open up their civilian and military nuclear projects to the exact same verification?
    You are going off on a tangent with your comment. The subject is Iran. You need to stick to the subject. Yes, some of us have known what Iran's true intent is about its nuclear program. But the Iranians are correct in one aspect, that US president who gave the iranians the go ahead to have its own nuclear program.

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

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    It's looking more and more like Iran is indeed trying to cover-up possible military dimensions (PMDs) to its nuclear program(s) and has no intentions of accepting a verification regimen that will ensure either agreement compliance or non-compliance discovery.
    They are just taking a page out of whiny Obama's playbook.
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    The US is to blame-because our naive weak-ass lefty President should never have attempted a deal. Now Iran has more money, still can make nukes just as fast as it would like, and gets to say it tried to negotiate.

    Obama can't help but get his butt handed to him 24/7/365.

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh I've never been an advocate to ignore problems, right here in this thread I've endeavored to show you the failures in USFP that create crisis and enemies, and the hypocrisies of such policies along the way.
    It is quite true that the United States has changing policies that reflect the priorities of Presidential Administrations that come and go. Fighting terrorism with terrorism is not an indicator of evil intent, but of a relevant player in the global arena.

    It seems to me, the cat is out of the bag. The ME is unique in that the leaders in it are culturally incapable of entering into agreements that carry the same understanding of trust and adherence leaders in the West expect. The question is not if they will violate agreements, that is a given, the question is by how much, and to what degree is tolerable.

    IMO, the issue should not be keeping nukes out of the ME, but clear and unambiguous clarity about what will happen should they be used, and distributed. Assured destruction may prove a more viable deterrent than an expectation nukes can be negotiated out of the region.
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