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    Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

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    Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    President Barack Obama designated new national monuments Friday in California, Nevada and Texas, setting aside millions of acres that are home to prehistoric rock carvings, Mammoth bones and popular outdoors destinations. The presidential move ran into immediate resistance from some Republicans, who accused Obama of a sneaky land grab that ignored the interests of local residents.

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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Why can't we all get along?
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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    This is one of the things that Obama has done that I'm truly appreciative of.
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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Some things should be preserved for all of us, not just the exploitation of the locals.

    Besides, adaptable locals will take advantage of the new tourism and service opportunities. Adapt or die...choice over entitlement.
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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Why does EVERYTHING have to be contentious in our country? Setting aside areas like this is a NORMAL thing for Presidents to do. The Republicans used to be in favor of preserving lands for future generations (Teddy Roosevelt started the national park system, if my memory serves).

    In any case, I think it's great. Otherwise, those areas would be ruined for future generations. There would be no more caveman rock carvings, and all that acreage would be covered in concrete and WalMarts in a generation. I didn't even know there were caveman rock carvings in America.
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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Why does EVERYTHING have to be contentious in our country? Setting aside areas like this is a NORMAL thing for Presidents to do. The Republicans used to be in favor of preserving lands for future generations (Teddy Roosevelt started the national park system, if my memory serves).

    In any case, I think it's great. Otherwise, those areas would be ruined for future generations. There would be no more caveman rock carvings, and all that acreage would be covered in concrete and WalMarts in a generation. I didn't even know there were caveman rock carvings in America.
    I'm not certain, but I don't think Anomalism's comment was sarcastic or contentious.
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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    This is one of the things that Obama has done that I'm truly appreciative of.
    I just wonder how much oil is on those lands, further locking oil sources up under federal control.
    Obama appears not to do anything unless there's a political or agenda gain to be had.
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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I just wonder how much oil is on those lands, further locking oil sources up under federal control.
    Obama appears not to do anything unless there's a political or agenda gain to be had.
    **** oil. We have the technology to go beyond. And if not for prior presidents doing the same as Obama, the charge led by that republican TR, there'd be no Redwoods left, the Grand Canyon would be a vast reservoir, and all the mountains would be leveled.
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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    **** oil. We have the technology to go beyond. And if not for prior presidents doing the same as Obama, the charge led by that republican TR, there'd be no Redwoods left, the Grand Canyon would be a vast reservoir, and all the mountains would be leveled.
    All that seems unlikely.

    Which technology to which are you referring to? So far, all the alternative 'green' technologies have fallen on their faces pretty hard, and are still not viable in the market without government life support.

    Just have to look at the ridiculousness of Ethanol as a track record, or perhaps in Germany, heavily invested in solar and wind for some 20 years, and are now pulling it all down because they aren't market viable without government life support.
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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    All that seems unlikely.

    Which technology to which are you referring to? So far, all the alternative 'green' technologies have fallen on their faces pretty hard, and are still not viable in the market without government life support.

    Just have to look at the ridiculousness of Ethanol as a track record, or perhaps in Germany, heavily invested in solar and wind for some 20 years, and are now pulling it all down because they aren't market viable without government life support.
    The world is technologically advanced enough to move beyond fossil fuels. But the opposition to it is overwhelming.

    This is what keeps republicans, indeed the world dependent upon fossil fuels.

    In the 2006 election cycle, oil and gas companies contributed over $19 million to political campaigns. 82% of that money went to Republican candidates, while the remaining 18% went to Democrats. In 2004, oil and gas companies contributed over $25 million to political campaigns, donating 80% of that money to Republicans. In the 2000 elections, over $34 million was contributed, with 78% of that money going to Republicans. Electric utilities also heavily favor Republicans; their contributions have recently ranged between $15–20 million.[4][5] From 2003-2006, the energy lobby also contributed $58.3 million to state-level campaigns. By comparison, alternative energy interests contributed around half a million dollars in the same time period.[6] During the United States elections in 2012 which includes the presidential election there was much spending by the lobbies.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuels_lobby
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