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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The world is technologically advanced enough to move beyond fossil fuels.
    Reality would seem to dictate otherwise.


    The above was produced more than 30 years ago by Petr Beckmann, a professor of electrical engineering at the University of Colorado. The intervening decades have not altered the validity of what he wrote and depicted here because it is based on immutable physical and mathematical realities. Those realities are not altered by any amount of laws, subsidies, mandates requiring green energy usage, tax breaks, regulations, political promises, good intentions or democratic voting.

    From the above illustration, you can readily grasp that solar power is extremely inefficient for automobile use, compared to the familiar fossil fuel (gasoline). Solar energy is similarly inefficient for other uses of fossil fuels.
    Why Solar Power is Permanently Inefficient | Somewhat Reasonable

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    Solar Energy Is Inefficient and Impractical

    Renewable energy standards inefficient, experts say in House testimony – Kansas Health Institute

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But the opposition to it is overwhelming.

    This is what keeps republicans, indeed the world dependent upon fossil fuels.

    In the 2006 election cycle, oil and gas companies contributed over $19 million to political campaigns. 82% of that money went to Republican candidates, while the remaining 18% went to Democrats. In 2004, oil and gas companies contributed over $25 million to political campaigns, donating 80% of that money to Republicans. In the 2000 elections, over $34 million was contributed, with 78% of that money going to Republicans. Electric utilities also heavily favor Republicans; their contributions have recently ranged between $15–20 million.[4][5] From 2003-2006, the energy lobby also contributed $58.3 million to state-level campaigns. By comparison, alternative energy interests contributed around half a million dollars in the same time period.[6] During the United States elections in 2012 which includes the presidential election there was much spending by the lobbies.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuels_lobby
    In spite of your position, the reality is that green energy's problem is not a political one (other than the continual pushing of inefficient and ineffective green technology mandates down everyone else's throat regardless of the cost - gee sounds like ObamaCare!) - it's a physics problem.

    Fundamentally all the green technologies can't recover or collect enough energy efficiently enough (there are energy losses in the collection mechanism) and quickly enough (time is money after all) to be market viable and competitive with other energy sources. Once they do, and once they can, the market will beat a patch to their doors and quickly adopt the market competitive green technologies.

    This leaves us with two viable choices: 1) Petroleum based - hopefully with continued improvement in efficiency and pollution reduction and 2) Nuclear, be it fission (nasty radioactive by products and fuel wastes to deal with) or possible Thorium reactors - but I don't think that even a lab experiment has been built and tested yet, so call that one only theoretical.

    For the Green lobby, nether s acceptable, so what sort of market viable energy sources do they offer? Distort the market with larger and more government subsidies!

    Well, that's not really a solution when I want to heat my home, or drive to work, or turn on a light bulb, now is it?

    The greatest experiment with this is Germany. For 20 years they've been investing in wind and solar energy generation, and within a short time of the subsidies being cut off, all of that is being decommissioned because it doesn't make financial sense to continue.

    We should learn from Germany's experience on this, and not repeat it. At least not until the fundamental physics issue betters itself to making economic sense anyway.
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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    **** oil. We have the technology to go beyond. And if not for prior presidents doing the same as Obama, the charge led by that republican TR, there'd be no Redwoods left, the Grand Canyon would be a vast reservoir, and all the mountains would be leveled.
    Lol...

    Uhm, no, no we don't.

    Unless you're specifically refering to Nuclear, we actually DON'T have the technology to " go beyond " oil.

    We learned our lesson when the world watched the enormous failure that was Germany's " green revolution " bite the dust...

    Well when I see " we " learned our lesson, I mean we should have learned our lesson.

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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Perhaps President Obama is simply preparing for declaring the new State of Illegalalienna to be announced in his last State of the Union address coming your way in January, 2016.
    A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.

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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm not certain, but I don't think Anomalism's comment was sarcastic or contentious.
    Oh. In that case, in the words of Rosanna Rosannadanna: Never mind.
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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Reality would seem to dictate otherwise.

    Why Solar Power is Permanently Inefficient | Somewhat Reasonable

    Study claims wind turbines are 'expensive and deeply inefficient' | Daily Mail Online

    Solar Energy Is Inefficient and Impractical

    Renewable energy standards inefficient, experts say in House testimony – Kansas Health Institute

    Renewable Energy: So Useless That Even Greenie Google Gave up on it - Breitbart



    In spite of your position, the reality is that green energy's problem is not a political one (other than the continual pushing of inefficient and ineffective green technology mandates down everyone else's throat regardless of the cost - gee sounds like ObamaCare!) - it's a physics problem.

    Fundamentally all the green technologies can't recover or collect enough energy efficiently enough (there are energy losses in the collection mechanism) and quickly enough (time is money after all) to be market viable and competitive with other energy sources. Once they do, and once they can, the market will beat a patch to their doors and quickly adopt the market competitive green technologies.

    This leaves us with two viable choices: 1) Petroleum based - hopefully with continued improvement in efficiency and pollution reduction and 2) Nuclear, be it fission (nasty radioactive by products and fuel wastes to deal with) or possible Thorium reactors - but I don't think that even a lab experiment has been built and tested yet, so call that one only theoretical.

    For the Green lobby, nether s acceptable, so what sort of market viable energy sources do they offer? Distort the market with larger and more government subsidies!

    Well, that's not really a solution when I want to heat my home, or drive to work, or turn on a light bulb, now is it?

    The greatest experiment with this is Germany. For 20 years they've been investing in wind and solar energy generation, and within a short time of the subsidies being cut off, all of that is being decommissioned because it doesn't make financial sense to continue.

    We should learn from Germany's experience on this, and not repeat it. At least not until the fundamental physics issue betters itself to making economic sense anyway.
    Wrong! Green energies problem is that black energy has a vastly larger and more powerful lobby with deeper pockets.
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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol...

    Uhm, no, no we don't.

    Unless you're specifically refering to Nuclear, we actually DON'T have the technology to " go beyond " oil.

    We learned our lesson when the world watched the enormous failure that was Germany's " green revolution " bite the dust...

    Well when I see " we " learned our lesson, I mean we should have learned our lesson.
    And the point is so far over your head that you should just continue feeding with the earth worms.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama designates national monuments in Texas, Calif., Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wrong! Green energies problem is that black energy has a vastly larger and more powerful lobby with deeper pockets.
    You can ignore physics, but it'll be at your peril.

    There is an incredible amount of energy stored in the carbon bonds that 'black energy' is comprised of, and it's not easily replaced by the green collection / gathering mechanisms that currently exist.

    You not wanting this to be fact isn't going to change the physics that make it a fact.
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