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    Re: SC Confederate Flag Taken Down From State Capitol in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's a good point, and a big reason why that flag rightfully came down and is hopefully on its way to the trash bin of history, seen only alongside "Whites Only" signs and the like in museums. Celebrating "Southern Heritage" without recognizing that an integral part of almost that entire history was characterized and based on slavery followed by the systemic and state oppression of blacks through Jim Crow is a whitewash of what our actual "Southern Heritage" meant to people of color in this region.
    WOW did my point fly right over your head! You want to see this country's future because of attitudes like that? Look up Joseph Stalin. That ought to be a big clue that you're wanting to go the same way.
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    Re: SC Confederate Flag Taken Down From State Capitol in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Stalin!!

    LMAO. Right wingers just love being the poor, poor victims. "Our poor wittle flag came down...Woe is us. We's victims of the libruls...boo hooo...Just like STALIN!!"

    And the tone deafness is just amazing. There is no apparent concern about the ACTUAL oppression of slavery, followed by 100 years of Jim Crow, both regimes defended under that flag. No, the real injustice is that the flag the oppressors flew is coming down off a memorial on state property, but with all rednecks proud of their "Southern Heritage" (except for slavery and Jim Crow obviously!) free to fly it on their cars, houses, motorcycles, pick ups, key chains, t-shirts, thongs, bras, etc.....
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    Re: SC Confederate Flag Taken Down From State Capitol in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    9 people died in SC and in response a flag that will fly now more not only in SC, but the country, was taken down from a memorial post.

    90,000 Rebel flags rise while 1 is lowered.

    Now the 9 dead will fade from public memory forever, but at least the left will think they've done something.

    Just in time before football season begins.



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    Yep. The anti South crowd thinks they got rid of our history, well guess what? When powerhouse Alabama is in the hunt for another national title (don't ever count out the Tide even though I want to see U Dub win it outright!) people will be fussing about the state flag of Alabama next.
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    Re: SC Confederate Flag Taken Down From State Capitol in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    WOW did my point fly right over your head! You want to see this country's future because of attitudes like that? Look up Joseph Stalin. That ought to be a big clue that you're wanting to go the same way.
    Uh, no. Sorry, but the state taking down a widely offensive flag off of state property really is not remotely in any conceivable way by any person with the slightest understanding of history comparable to Stalin and the horrors of his era. That kind of comment is veering deep into suspected Poe's Law territory.

    Really, it's incredible. What happened here is across the country an almost entirely peaceful protest of government action - raising a particular flag on government property - took place. Individuals with protected freedom of speech criticized their government, freely, sometimes bitterly, but however those protests with words and thoughts and writings took place it was without penalty and without fear of death or imprisonment. Ultimately those protests resulted in an elected body taking a vote, passing a piece of legislation, signed by the Governor, that removed a symbol large swaths of the public found offensive and believed celebrated an era when blacks were slaved or oppressed. Free people can protest that act. In fact a hate group named the KKK plans such a protest on state property. They also can do so without fear of government reprisal. Others no doubt will be on hand to protest the KKK, and they also are free to do so without fear of government reprisal. Any or all of them can loudly and vehemently condemn government, individual government leaders, again, with no fear of imprisonment or death so long as the protests are peaceful.

    You surely understand that in Stalin's era, that kind of criticism got you killed, executed, without trial, or imprisoned for decades in a brutal work camp. I'm having a hard time finding even ONE tiny parallel between what just happened and what was routine in the Stalin era.
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    Re: SC Confederate Flag Taken Down From State Capitol in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Uh, no. Sorry, but the state taking down a widely offensive flag off of state property really is not remotely in any conceivable way by any person with the slightest understanding of history comparable to Stalin and the horrors of his era. That kind of comment is veering deep into suspected Poe's Law territory.
    Whhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooosssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhh hhhh!!!!!!!!!!! I felt that gust of wind a mile away! Why does my point keep going completely over your head? Stalin got rid of monuments and everything else in Russia's past. Mitch McConnell was fussing about taking down the statue of President Davis in the US Capitol. Memphis is wanting to take down the statue of General Forrest and exhume his body. In other words they are wanting to do away with anything Southern. DO you finally get it now?
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    Re: SC Confederate Flag Taken Down From State Capitol in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Whhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooosssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhh hhhh!!!!!!!!!!! I felt that gust of wind a mile away! Why does my point keep going completely over your head? Stalin got rid of monuments and everything else in Russia's past. Mitch McConnell was fussing about taking down the statue of President Davis in the US Capitol. Memphis is wanting to take down the statue of General Forrest and exhume his body. In other words they are wanting to do away with anything Southern. DO you finally get it now?
    Would it be worse if they replaced the statues of confederate generals with that of general Sherman.
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    Re: SC Confederate Flag Taken Down From State Capitol in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Whhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooosssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhh hhhh!!!!!!!!!!! I felt that gust of wind a mile away! Why does my point keep going completely over your head? Stalin got rid of monuments and everything else in Russia's past. Mitch McConnell was fussing about taking down the statue of President Davis in the US Capitol. Memphis is wanting to take down the statue of General Forrest and exhume his body. In other words they are wanting to do away with anything Southern. DO you finally get it now?
    See my edits.

    And no, I don't "get it" because the comparison between what's happening here to Stalin is insane.

    I'll just address Memphis because it's in my state. According to a quick google search it's 61% black. The people through their elected leaders are under no obligation to continue to honor a man who was the reported founder of the KKK and who fought for the Confederacy that if it had won would have kept their ancestors in slavery for an indefinite period post the Civil War.

    Like most men of his era in the South, Forrest defies convenient labeling. No doubt he was an extraordinary person, and obviously a great military leader. But in a free society, we can disagree about such things and decide whether to continue to honor a man who fought for what we now regard as an evil institution and reportedly founded a group that no matter its original intent quickly became a terrorist organization, and later emerged as nothing more than a white supremacist hate group. In this country we weigh those things, debate, protest, followed by government action or inaction.

    And just because you don't like or even vehemently disagree with the outcome doesn't mean anyone's rights were taken away.

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    Re: SC Confederate Flag Taken Down From State Capitol in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    See my edits.

    And no, I don't "get it" because the comparison between what's happening here to Stalin is insane.

    I'll just address Memphis because it's in my state. According to a quick google search it's 61% black. The people through their elected leaders are under no obligation to continue to honor a man who was the reported founder of the KKK and who fought for the Confederacy that if it had won would have kept their ancestors in slavery for an indefinite period post the Civil War.

    Like most men of his era in the South, he defies convenient labeling. No doubt he was an extraordinary person, and obviously a great military leader. But in a free society, we can disagree about such things and decide whether to continue to honor a man who fought for what we now regard as an evil institution and reportedly founded a group that no matter its original intent quickly became a terrorist organization, and later emerged as nothing more than a white supremacist hate group. In this country we weigh those things, debate, protest, followed by government action or inaction.

    And just because you don't like or even vehemently disagree with the outcome doesn't mean anyone's rights were taken away.
    No its not insane if you use the ol' gray matter.
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    Re: SC Confederate Flag Taken Down From State Capitol in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    No its not insane if you use the ol' gray matter.
    OK, so the parallel is Stalin took down some statues. That's.....EVIL!!! Does this picture ring a bell? Those are U.S. troops assisting.

    gt_saddam_statue_toppling_630x420_101228.jpg

    From the article:

    On April 9, 2003, Lieutenant Colonel Bryan McCoy, commander of the 3rd Battalion 4th Marines, awoke at a military base captured from the Iraqis a few miles from the center of Baghdad, which was still held by the enemy.... he walked over to a group of marines under his command who were defacing a mural of Saddam Hussein. As I watched, he picked up a sledgehammer and struck a few blows himself. The men cheered.
    All I can think of it's that what Stalin would do!!!

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    Re: SC Confederate Flag Taken Down From State Capitol in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, so the parallel is Stalin took down some statues. That's.....EVIL!!! Does this picture ring a bell? Those are U.S. troops assisting.

    gt_saddam_statue_toppling_630x420_101228.jpg

    From the article:



    All I can think of it's that what Stalin would do!!!
    WOW my point went WAY over your head again!!!!! Apples to jackhammers!
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