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    Re: Charleston shooting: System failure 'allowed Roof to buy gun' - FBI

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    I thought his father gave him the weapon for his birthday?
    The father gave him 'birthday money' and then the killer bought the gun himself.

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    Re: Charleston shooting: System failure 'allowed Roof to buy gun' - FBI

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    True. It is also proof no man-made system is ever going to be perfect, and sometimes loonies will slip through the cracks and bad things will happen. Life.
    Exactly. So my question is...how much of our freedom will they (try to) take away to attempt to keep people 'safe?' Esp. when it's not possible?

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    Re: Charleston shooting: System failure 'allowed Roof to buy gun' - FBI

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Let's stop blaming people for the criminal actions of others. It is very unfair to leave the impression that had this young man not been able to buy a gun legally that the nine people would be safe and alive today.
    I specifically avoided blaming people so I'm not sure who you're talking to when you say "Let's stop blaming people". As the article stated, Roof was able to purchase a gun because of a mistake in the background check system. I don't know that that mistake was anyone's "fault" so no person should shoulder the blame besides Roof.

    Whether or not he would have gotten a gun illegally if the background check had worked is uncertain. Perhaps he would have, but given that mass shootings tend to be done with legal gun purchases, I'm do not think that he would have. You may think differently. So be it.
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    Re: Charleston shooting: System failure 'allowed Roof to buy gun' - FBI

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I specifically avoided blaming people so I'm not sure who you're talking to when you say "Let's stop blaming people". As the article stated, Roof was able to purchase a gun because of a mistake in the background check system. I don't know that that mistake was anyone's "fault" so no person should shoulder the blame besides Roof.

    Whether or not he would have gotten a gun illegally if the background check had worked is uncertain. Perhaps he would have, but given that mass shootings tend to be done with legal gun purchases, I'm do not think that he would have. You may think differently. So be it.
    Perhaps I misunderstood the intent in your OP. You did end it with the following:

    "It's sad that nine people died as the result of something so preventable."

    That reads to me like deflecting blame to the system and those who man it. But I'll accept your above comments and apologize for the misunderstanding.
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    Re: Charleston shooting: System failure 'allowed Roof to buy gun' - FBI

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Nine people did not die as a result of some clerical errors - that's nonsense. Nine people died because a deranged and angry young man wanted to kill nine people. He had money in his pocket and if he hadn't been able to buy a gun the legal way he would have found an illegal way to do it or he would have found other means to carry out his plan. I'm guessing that someone who was apparently active in white supremacist groups would have been able to acquire what he needed within his circle of "friends".

    Let's stop blaming people for the criminal actions of others. It is very unfair to leave the impression that had this young man not been able to buy a gun legally that the nine people would be safe and alive today.
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    Re: Charleston shooting: System failure 'allowed Roof to buy gun' - FBI

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Why do you find poor quality control acceptable? Do you tolerate it in Canada's food safety system? Or in its infrastructure?
    Who said it was acceptable? I said it doesn't deflect the blame for the person who committed the crime. The "poor quality control" led to the purchase of a gun - not, in itself, a violent or dangerous action. The violent and dangerous actions were committed by Dylann Roof, period.
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    Re: Charleston shooting: System failure 'allowed Roof to buy gun' - FBI

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps I misunderstood the intent in your OP. You did end it with the following:

    "It's sad that nine people died as the result of something so preventable."

    That reads to me like deflecting blame to the system and those who man it. But I'll accept your above comments and apologize for the misunderstanding.
    As the article stated, a mistake in the background check allowed Roof to get the gun. I consider that mistake preventable, but I don't think that that means an actual person should be blamed for how Roof capitalized on that mistake. Mistakes happen and we should always be working to prevent them. It just so happens that a bad person took advantage of this one.
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