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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I am afraid that the SC is becoming rapidly redundant. In a case like the targeting a military vessel you would not go to the SC to ask. You would obliterate it on the spot.

    If the country retaliated in some way, the SC again is no longer of any help. And as it does not guarantee the security of the members and especially populations, it is more a danger to world peace than the help it was in the post 1950 era. Nobody is saying this out loud yet, but that was the reason for the 2005 shift in focus, which has faded somewhat now. And if we cannot get the UN filling the policing job, there will be major war in any event within thirty five or so years. That is almost inescapable and diplomacy cannot prevent it indefinitely, though, there are some dinosaurs that think it possible.
    To the bolded lol, yeah about as rapidly as they've been telling the US no more gratuitous wars. As to the rest of the sentence, obviously not, for that's not what happened.

    And as to the importance or relevance of the UNSC, it sure has been stated out loud, by George Bush too. Remember when he told the UN to get beside us or get behind us?
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded lol, yeah about as rapidly as they've been telling the US no more gratuitous wars. As to the rest of the sentence, obviously not, for that's not what happened.

    And as to the importance or relevance of the UNSC, it sure has been stated out loud, by George Bush too. Remember when he told the UN to get beside us or get behind us?
    Actually he said that the UN should enforce, what the SC had formulated in the Resolution must be done. Lacking that it would be redundant. Which it was then and is now rapidly becoming in general. This is very bad in a way, but it is also inevitable. A regulator that does not enforce its regulation is worse than no regulator at all, because it confuses the issues.

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually he said that the UN should enforce, what the SC had formulated in the Resolution must be done. Lacking that it would be redundant. Which it was then and is now rapidly becoming in general. This is very bad in a way, but it is also inevitable. A regulator that does not enforce its regulation is worse than no regulator at all, because it confuses the issues.
    The UN has no enforcement arm.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    It is only a matter of time before someone fires, Iran seems to want to just as much as the US does.
    Iran seems to want to just as much as the US does: no offense: but that is the classical sentence you could hear from any rapist.

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics1234 View Post
    Iran seems to want to just as much as the US does: no offense: but that is the classical sentence you could hear from any rapist.
    Spare me the no offense bull ****, it is exactly what you wanted to convey.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I missed the part where I said the U.S. always tells the truth.
    Isn't great that the leftists here are so quick to take Iran's side and be against our country? God, one wonders what the hell goes on in those minds, if anything of substance.

    Yeah, Iran is the one fighting for truth and freedom, we are just a bad actor in bothering a poor, innocent, good natured country like Iran. They are just a force for good, and we are getting in the way. Jeez.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Isn't great that the leftists here are so quick to take Iran's side and be against our country? God, one wonders what the hell goes on in those minds, if anything of substance.

    Yeah, Iran is the one fighting for truth and freedom, we are just a bad actor in bothering a poor, innocent, good natured country like Iran. They are just a force for good, and we are getting in the way. Jeez.

    Cmon now Anthony.....they wear White Hats, and Pray a lot.

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

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    Greetings, F&L.

    Have they already lifted them? I was under the impression that wasn't going to happen till later. Wouldn't surprise me though if they were!


    I do believe all this started with Obama giving back several hundred billion in sanctioned funds. And the oil is now flowing to Europe again so they are happy
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The UN has no enforcement arm.
    That is part of the problem that it could, however, get around, if we all agreed on a robust and dependable method.

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    But you really think Lockerbie was a tit for tat action?
    Do you really believe it was just a coincidence in the very same year ...... really ?

    Anyway. If that is what they do, escalate and make a demonstration that scares the world. Be very open about it ans explain that it is plain deterrent. Unless we get the UN to guarantee international security robustly, we will have to resort to that type of thing within about 10 years anyway. So why not save ourselves the cash and do it now? The advantage would be that like after Iraq2 the membership of the UN would be more willing to do things they are otherwise reluctant to commit to, as the 2005 r2p norm change showed.
    Painting something with a laser RF isn't any kind of security threat to anyone however much the US would like to talk it up as such

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