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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Maybe the sanctions should be reinstated and be done with this rogue state once and for all
    Iran is simply attempting to achieve at the negotiating table what they can't militarily. I agree. Just stop playing patty cake with these assholes and be done with them. There is no need for military action if the people in DC only had a brain.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I mention that all the time, but it's just dismissed as America hatred. Maybe you'll have better luck Pete.
    Yea and pigs fly and Santa Claus is real. Most Americans dont understand how their nation violates other nations on a daily basis with drones, hacking, kidnapping, and killings, but when suddenly their personal information is stolen or their military is "painted" then it is all "payback time, lets bomb them" bull****... and we in the rest of the world are not allowed to react to their abuses against us. Hypocrisy at its best.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Maybe the sanctions should be reinstated and be done with this rogue state once and for all
    Cmon now.....if we do that, then we wont have our Iranian cheerleaders out with their pom poms. Wont be able to afford their uniforms.

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Maybe the sanctions should be reinstated and be done with this rogue state once and for all
    Greetings, F&L.

    Have they already lifted them? I was under the impression that wasn't going to happen till later. Wouldn't surprise me though if they were!

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    They tried that with shooting down their civilian airliners back in 1988. Lockerbie six months later was their answer
    You think that the airliner was the same thing? Didn't they even get compensate the passengers' estates? If I recall that was at a much higher rate than probably usual in Iran or Germany for that matter. But you really think Lockerbie was a tit for tat action?
    Anyway. If that is what they do, escalate and make a demonstration that scares the world. Be very open about it ans explain that it is plain deterrent. Unless we get the UN to guarantee international security robustly, we will have to resort to that type of thing within about 10 years anyway. So why not save ourselves the cash and do it now? The advantage would be that like after Iraq2 the membership of the UN would be more willing to do things they are otherwise reluctant to commit to, as the 2005 r2p norm change showed.

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Meh, why stop there. I would tell them if it happens again. I will remove a city off of their map for each time they act like they want to do something.

    What can they do about it but whine and cry.
    I think that it may come to that in one country or another within 10 years or so. But I think I would wait for a real strike before openly obliterating anything other than a military installation that was a clear and present danger to an asset.

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You think that the airliner was the same thing? Didn't they even get compensate the passengers' estates? If I recall that was at a much higher rate than probably usual in Iran or Germany for that matter. But you really think Lockerbie was a tit for tat action?
    Anyway. If that is what they do, escalate and make a demonstration that scares the world. Be very open about it ans explain that it is plain deterrent. Unless we get the UN to guarantee international security robustly, we will have to resort to that type of thing within about 10 years anyway. So why not save ourselves the cash and do it now? The advantage would be that like after Iraq2 the membership of the UN would be more willing to do things they are otherwise reluctant to commit to, as the 2005 r2p norm change showed.
    Russia and China will likely be vetoing any further military adventurism that the US comes asking permission for. That's going to be the consequences of abusing prior permissions.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Iran is simply attempting to achieve at the negotiating table what they can't militarily. I agree. Just stop playing patty cake with these assholes and be done with them. There is no need for military action if the people in DC only had a brain.
    Heya HB. Its a new day and age.....we can order one online for them. It would be artificial, even look just like theirs.

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I think that it may come to that in one country or another within 10 years or so. But I think I would wait for a real strike before openly obliterating anything other than a military installation that was a clear and present danger to an asset.
    Yeah I don't see it happening to Russia, China, N. Korea, or Pakistan. So guess who that leaves out in the cold.

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Russia and China will likely be vetoing any further military adventurism that the US comes asking permission for. That's going to be the consequences of abusing prior permissions.
    I am afraid that the SC is becoming rapidly redundant. In a case like the targeting a military vessel you would not go to the SC to ask. You would obliterate it on the spot.

    If the country retaliated in some way, the SC again is no longer of any help. And as it does not guarantee the security of the members and especially populations, it is more a danger to world peace than the help it was in the post 1950 era. Nobody is saying this out loud yet, but that was the reason for the 2005 shift in focus, which has faded somewhat now. And if we cannot get the UN filling the policing job, there will be major war in any event within thirty five or so years. That is almost inescapable and diplomacy cannot prevent it indefinitely, though, there are some dinosaurs that think it possible.

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