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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    They serve as an outpost of western ideals in anotherwise western adverse part of the world. It is a very important and strategic outpost that will be used if there is ever a world conflict over the ME like there was during the cold war. They are our hedge against Russian influence in the ME as well as an expanding Islamic state.
    Totally true, the very creation of the state of Israel was a practicality for the West that had no bearing whatsoever on the plight of the Jewish people, a fine expedience.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    They serve as an outpost of western ideals in anotherwise western adverse part of the world. It is a very important and strategic outpost that will be used if there is ever a world conflict over the ME like there was during the cold war. They are our hedge against Russian influence in the ME as well as an expanding Islamic state.
    Its a horrendous liability by whatever measure you choose to judge it by. Whats wrong with your psyche here ? This relationship serves you no strategic, economic, military or most importantly political advantage in any way whatsoever so why do you pursue it with such blind fervour.

    Other than it making you a target for every Muslim fanatic going what are you getting out of this ?

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Its a horrendous liability by whatever measure you choose to judge it by. Whats wrong with your psyche here ? This relationship serves you no strategic, economic, military or most importantly political advantage in any way whatsoever so why do you pursue it with such blind fervour.

    Other than it making you a target for every Muslim fanatic going what are you getting out of this ?
    We have a central and direct location in order to land troops and military hardware in the event of a conflict in the ME. Only people who don't understand geopolitics would say what you said. I certainly don't have time to educate people on it. All I will say is, read up on cold war geopolitics and educate yourself on the strategic interests both sides were fighting for and why, then you will understand why the US supports Israel. Once you have read and educated yourself on that, you should read the about how geopolitics effected WW1 and WW2 as well as how it determined who emerged as the economic powerhouses after those conflicts. The problem here is that people don't know, or simply choose to ignore the context of past political decisions, as well as how those decisions still effect us today.
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    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What purpose does this ally serve other than to embroil you in its conflicts with its neighbours ?
    What purpose do you expect them to serve? They are an ally that are continually attacked and threatened by other nations in the middle east. Now, our president is negotiating with one of those nations, releasing billions of dollars to them and allowing them to continue to work toward a nuclear bomb.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There's no need for Iran to be an enemy. But toppling their government, arming their enemy with WMD that was used on them, waging economic warfare on them, giving Israel bunker busters to use on them...........I guess you can create yourself quite the enemy. As for Israel, Obama and Carter seem the only two so far willing to hold them at least somewhat accountable.
    They are an enemy because they want to be an enemy. "Death to America!" Hmmm, what do they mean by that? Sorry, but if you are an enemy of ours, don't expect nice things from us. Until, that is, moron Obama decided to sell us out to these bastards.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Can you back your claim?

    Lasers are serious deals kid. Ask me how I know.
    Kid? lol... You better be like... 80...

    And yes, I've played with some pretty serious sodium argon lasers... And smaller systems meant to blind groups...

    And no, it's purely fun speculation based upon this dangerous threat being from a merchant vessel. Also based on these tidbits...

    The government is never going to tell you what was really going on.
    Çertain vested interests in the media will blow anything out of proportion, sensation sells..

    These days, I tend to take everything with a 35 lb grain of salt, a spoonful of sugar and count to a hundred before I react to anything being trumpeted from any commercial media.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Kid? lol... You better be like... 80...

    And yes, I've played with some pretty serious sodium argon lasers... And smaller systems meant to blind groups...

    And no, it's purely fun speculation based upon this dangerous threat being from a merchant vessel. Also based on these tidbits...

    The government is never going to tell you what was really going on.
    Çertain vested interests in the media will blow anything out of proportion, sensation sells..

    These days, I tend to take everything with a 35 lb grain of salt, a spoonful of sugar and count to a hundred before I react to anything being trumpeted from any commercial media.
    I see, so your views of your nations relationship with Iran is "fun speculation".

    Yeah, thats real fun buddy. Look how fun this is.

    Hypernatremia..lolz.

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I see, so your views of your nations relationship with Iran is "fun speculation".

    Yeah, thats real fun buddy. Look how fun this is.

    Hypernatremia..lolz.
    No no, you misunderstand, I find the hyperbolic paranoid freakouts hilarious...

    I find the tragic US meddling in their sovereign affairs for seven decades or so... very serious.
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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    No no, you misunderstand, I find the hyperbolic paranoid freakouts hilarious...

    I find the tragic US meddling in their sovereign affairs for seven decades or so... very serious.
    Dont take reality to mean others are freaked out.

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    Re: Iran-flagged ship targets U.S. Navy with laser

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Dont take reality to mean others are freaked out.
    So it's just you? No others?
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