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South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

I asked you to substantiate your claim that she was supportive of keeping it up. If you can't, then that's fine. However, it's pretty bad etiquette to simply lob out a claim without anything to back it up other than your words.

I know you don't have a good memory but I remember it well. That beautiful flag flew high atop the Capitol in SC until only about 12 or 13 years ago. I have a framed picture of my uncle standing in front of the Capitol building and the flag flying high and proud atop the dome.
 
I know you don't have a good memory but I remember it well.

What you remember is irrelevant in this discussion. I remember a time when I couldn't afford new shoes every month. I can't demonstrate having existed in that state today. However, I definitely remember it. Does my memory of that prove anything? No.

That beautiful flag flew high atop the Capitol in SC until only about 12 or 13 years ago. I have a framed picture of my uncle standing in front of the Capitol building and the flag flying high and proud atop the dome.

That's great, but your statement was that Nikki Hailey was supportive of it. I asked for you to show that support. If you can't, as I stated earlier: It's fine. However, your proverbial word is not something that will be taken at face value on this forum.
 
What you remember is irrelevant in this discussion. I remember a time when I couldn't afford new shoes every month. I can't demonstrate having existed in that state today. However, I definitely remember it. Does my memory of that prove anything? No.



That's great, but your statement was that Nikki Hailey was supportive of it. I asked for you to show that support.

Why do you think it didn't come down sooner? Please think about it.
 
Why do you think it didn't come down sooner? Please think about it.

You said she was supportive of it flying. Now, cough up the evidence or quit wasting my time with unverifiable stories about years when she wasn't even governor.
 
I frankly don't think this symbolic act is all that efficacious.

9 people get murdered by a gun-totting nut full of hatred.

Response: some piece of cloth gets taken down from some roof.

Sure, it's nice to reject a symbol of hatred, but I'd be more impressed if some measure got actually implemented that would keep guns out of the hands of the nutcases, hopefully the same day. Had the governor signed the bill for taking down the flag AND signed a bill to implement some objective measure to decrease the likelihood of such hate crimes, I'd be applauding a lot more vigorously.
 
We can't have hurt feelings. Ever again. For any reason.

Oh we can, as long as the feelings being hurt, and rights being stepped on are that of any Conservative, Christian, or Southern persuasion
 
I frankly don't think this symbolic act is all that efficacious.

9 people get murdered by a gun-totting nut full of hatred.

Response: some piece of cloth gets taken down from some roof.

Sure, it's nice to reject a symbol of hatred, but I'd be more impressed if some measure got actually implemented that would keep guns out of the hands of the nutcases, hopefully the same day. Had the governor signed the bill for taking down the flag AND signed a bill to implement some objective measure to decrease the likelihood of such hate crimes, I'd be applauding a lot more vigorously.

And how do you suppose we legislate what is in some peoples heart?
 
Oh we can, as long as the feelings being hurt, and rights being stepped on are that of any Conservative, Christian, or Southern persuasion

Well, I am neither Conservative nor Liberal, but I am Christian, and I was born and raised in the South, and my feelings aren't hurt, and my rights haven't been stepped on.

Go figure. :shrug:
 
Well, I am neither Conservative nor Liberal, but I am Christian, and I was born and raised in the South, and my feelings aren't hurt, and my rights haven't been stepped on.

Go figure. :shrug:

Ok, so, because YOU don't feel a particular way, I guess you speak for everyone now eh?
 
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A governor whose parents are Indian, surrounded by blacks and whites, signing a bill to remove a symbol of hatred 50 years after it was put there by a government that had just 2 years earlier enforced segregation. Gay marriage is now legal in all 50 states and my Cuban wife just made me tamales. What a time to be alive.

The Civil War was over more than 100 years ago, and we're supposed to cheer because some backward state refused to concede defeat until now?
 
Ok, so, because YOU don't feel a particular way, I guess you speak for everyone now eh?

How ironic. :lol: You are taking me to task for "speaking for everyone now" when you are trying to do the same thing, by saying that Conservatives, Christians and Southerners have their feelings hurt, or are being stepped on.
 
You said she was supportive of it flying. Now, cough up the evidence or quit wasting my time with unverifiable stories about years when she wasn't even governor.

Would you please think? The NCAA has boycotted SC all these years, same deal with the NAACP. She obviously told them both to go fly and kept the flag flying. Now because of one nutcase she caves? Does not make an ounce of sense.
 
Oh we can, as long as the feelings being hurt, and rights being stepped on are that of any Conservative, Christian, or Southern persuasion

LOL Again with the martyr syndrome. My heart bleeds for you. Another relic of a despicable era in our history is put to rest and you cry like babies. And I don't mean the civil war either, It's an era us older folks remember well.

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How ironic. :lol: You are taking me to task for "speaking for everyone now" when you are trying to do the same thing, by saying that Conservatives, Christians and Southerners have their feelings hurt, or are being stepped on.

No, I speak only for myself, but living here in SC, I think I can relate the general mood of people I come into contact with on the issue....Sorry you don't like that.
 
LOL Again with the martyr syndrome. My heart bleeds for you. Another relic of a despicable era in our history is put to rest and you cry like babies. And I don't mean the civil war either, It's an era us older folks remember well.

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You "older folks"? That's a real hoot....:lamo How old do you think I am?

On to your stupid pic bomb...So, you only prove my point dude...See, if I don't agree with you, you feel the need to call me a racist, and continue to attack me....How very tolerant of you. :roll:
 
You "older folks"? That's a real hoot....:lamo How old do you think I am?

On to your stupid pic bomb...So, you only prove my point dude...See, if I don't agree with you, you feel the need to call me a racist, and continue to attack me....How very tolerant of you. :roll:

LOL Where did I call anyone a racist? My pics were only to illustrate the era we are trying to put an end to for good and the battle flag was the banner of the segregationists. Good riddance to it.
 
No, I speak only for myself, but living here in SC, I think I can relate the general mood of people I come into contact with on the issue....Sorry you don't like that.

Then stop acting like I am attempting to speak for others when I speak my mind. I live in South Georgia, so I know the mood of people on the issue too. :roll: You don't corner the market on living in the deep south, bub. Alot of us do, and thankfully, we can all speak our own minds. That is what started this whole thing, by the way.
 
I'm really glad this happened, I just don't think it had anything to do with the shootings and as usual people are missing that point.

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A governor whose parents are Indian, surrounded by blacks and whites, signing a bill to remove a symbol of hatred 50 years after it was put there by a government that had just 2 years earlier enforced segregation. Gay marriage is now legal in all 50 states and my Cuban wife just made me tamales. What a time to be alive.
 
And how do you suppose we legislate what is in some peoples heart?

That you can't, but you *can* legislate ways to make it more difficult for these hateful nuts to have access to guns and especially to certain kinds of guns. Would it make all attacks like these disappear? No, but it would decrease the frequency and severity of them, just like in all other civilized Western nations, where tougher gun controls sharply correlate with rarer gun violence.

My point is, does taking down the flag from SC state grounds make any of these attacks less likely? Obviously not, so, that's why while praising the symbolic gesture, I'm not impressed and find it utterly inefficient and likely to be just a diversion to distract people from the lack of real action.
 
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