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    Re: South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, you started off your amazing descent into complete intellectual obliteration by pointing out the contradictions of the very real ideology that is liberalism, and yet here you are espousing what is at best a train of though. A train of thought that is inherently contradictory based on even the slightest understanding of human nature and the chaos that would ensue within a system where people are subservient to the whims of private companies.
    No, not really. I think anyone honest about it will recognize that classical liberalism unlike liberal socialism does not suffer from contradictions of very basic principles. As for a liberal talking about human nature, well, yeah, no comment on that.

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    Re: South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, not really. I think anyone honest about it will recognize that classical liberalism unlike liberal socialism does not suffer from such contradictions of very basic principles. As for a liberal talking about human nature, well, yeah, no comment on that.
    And yet, liberalism remains a valid ideology regardless of its various incarnations while whatever form of libertarianism you espouse simply remains a train of thought which is quite a few floors bellow an ideology but just defined enough to be considered "a philosophy". One which for some reason, the overwhelming majority of the world has moved away from.
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    Re: South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

    Good to know. Although I feel as I'm not being insulting personally. My stance on Libertardism is just that - empty rhetoric made by disillusioned Rethuglicons who seem to have a deep hatred of the poor, the sick and the needy. They seriously believe in a non-governmental interfering system that allows for free reign without any recourse to civil, ethical and constitutional law other by what they cheery pick as being fit for the rest of society. I am not mocking Henrin's beliefs. I simply cannot see them as being viable for the common good. I see the ideologies (or lack thereof) of Libertardianism as being no ideologies at all. Henrin has yet to produce a substantiated argument for why I should take his beliefs seriously when he says nothing more than catch phrases and buzz words. It's not just him nor am I personally attacking him for his political beliefs upon which he has every right to express. My experiences has been with many Libertardians that they cannot or will not (for some odd reason) validate their arguments with common sense, for example, on how a lack of taxes will somehow form a coalition of voluntaryism.


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    Re: South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And yet, liberalism remains a valid ideology regardless of its various incarnations while whatever form of libertarianism you espouse simply remains a train of thought which is quite a few floors bellow an ideology but just defined enough to be considered "a philosophy". One which for some reason, the overwhelming majority of the world has moved away from.
    Argumentum ad populum

    Regardless, liberal socialism is simply illogical as their views on property conflict and must undermine each other leaving both rather nonexistent in any sort of foundation or meaning. In practice what appears to happen is the public side of the equation gets stronger as the system ages, while the private side becomes more of an illusion than anything else. As it stands all around the world all that is really left of the private side of the equation is renting.

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    Re: South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Confederates can still fly their secessionist traitor flag of surrender wherever they want. It's just that the state is no longer endorsing it.
    You mean banner of freedom don't ya? Oh I forgot, you haven't read a true account of the South, have ya?
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    Re: South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Argumentum ad populum
    You were working with it a few pages ago. Remember when the people and their wishes were important in all of this? The contradictions keep rolling.

    Regardless, liberal socialism is simply illogical as their views on property conflict and must undermine each other leaving both rather nonexistent in any sort of foundation or meaning. In practice what appears to happen is the public side of the equation gets stronger as the system ages, while the private side becomes more of an illusion than anything else. As it stands all around the world all that is really left of the private side of the equation is renting.
    Actually, social liberalism is quite simply about finding a balance between these things. One has never been necessarily held as more important than the other and that's where you seem to get things wrong. Like with all ideologies, liberalism examines the best way to govern and makes decisions based a large array of factors (including culture, religion, rights held by the people, obligations of the state etc.).

    That's what makes it an ideology and why liberals can and do disagree with each other quite regularly. In contrast, libertarianism, as you have displayed it on this forum for 5 years, is basically "I don't like no gub'mint!". That's not an ideology of any sort, Henrin. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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    Re: South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Marla View Post
    Good to know. Although I feel as I'm not being insulting personally. My stance on Libertardism is just that - empty rhetoric made by disillusioned Rethuglicons who seem to have a deep hatred of the poor, the sick and the needy. They seriously believe in a non-governmental interfering system that allows for free reign without any recourse to civil, ethical and constitutional law other by what they cheery pick as being fit for the rest of society. I am not mocking Henrin's beliefs. I simply cannot see them as being viable for the common good. I see the ideologies (or lack thereof) of Libertardianism as being no ideologies at all. Henrin has yet to produce a substantiated argument for why I should take his beliefs seriously when he says nothing more than catch phrases and buzz words. It's not just him nor am I personally attacking him for his political beliefs upon which he has every right to express. My experiences has been with many Libertardians that they cannot or will not (for some odd reason) validate their arguments with common sense, for example, on how a lack of taxes will somehow form a coalition of voluntaryism.


    I meant no offense to no one.
    I was never a republican and I only voted for one once when I was eighteen. I suppose you can use that against me if you want, but it was a very long time ago and I was very different person then. I don't hate the poor, the sick, the needy, the elderly, or anyone else really. Yeah, I might not be the nicest guy around, and yeah, sometimes I can be an asshole, but I don't hate anyone. I'm against welfare as I feel it is a personal decision that one makes on who they desire to offer assistance or if they wish to offer assistance at all. I am not opposed to people going out of their way to help their neighbor, and in fact, I encourage it as I feel it is important to help those in need.

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    Re: South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You were working with it a few pages ago. Remember when the people and their wishes were important in all of this? The contradictions keep rolling.
    You of all people should know I can't admit what I was doing there.

    Actually, social liberalism is quite simply about finding a balance between these things. One has never been necessarily held as more important than the other and that's where you seem to get things wrong. Like with all ideologies, liberalism examines the best way to govern and makes decisions based a large array of factors (including culture, religion, rights held by the people, obligations of the state etc.).

    That's what makes it an ideology and why liberals can and do disagree with each other quite regularly. In contrast, libertarianism, as you have displayed it on this forum for 5 years, is basically "I don't like no gub'mint!". That's not an ideology of any sort, Henrin. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
    That is simply what they say, but again, you can't balance two competing forces without them leaving each other in ruin. It simply doesn't work on any logical basis.

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    Re: South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm against welfare as I feel it is a personal decision that one makes on who they desire to offer assistance or if they wish to offer assistance at all.
    Not sure if I understand that.

    I won't argue that welfare is an abused governmental program full of holes in need of fixing. However, it does not make those who truly need it as being helpless or hopeless as many Libertardians will have me to believe. You simply cannot generalize people who are on some form of governmental assistance as being second-class, or in many cases, non-citizens. I used to work with homeless people to find housing, health and dental care, even some form of employment in order to achieve a better quality of life. Many were not looking for a handout or to be dependent but suffered from mental and/or physical illnesses that limited their ability to function as a "normal" adult human being. So why, for example can you as a Libertardian deny such individuals the opportunity for a better quality of life in good conscience?

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    Re: South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You of all people should know I can't admit what I was doing there.
    Oh, I know exactly what you were doing. However, seeing how you dropped it, I actually thought you were being serious and just refused to answer.

    That is simply what they say, but again, you can't balance two competing forces without them leaving each other in ruin. It simply doesn't work on any logical basis.
    Funny you should make such a statement considering you can't have a society to any degree without certain ground rules and individuals in charge of enforcing them. You know, a government of some sort.
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