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Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse[W:79]

Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

hahaha.....That was mockery....Good grief....We need a face palm smiley....

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Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

It's funny watching conservatives preach about the negativity of emotion in debate. It's as if they all the sudden never heard about their political football called "abortion."
 
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Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Oh? So what makes you think he wouldn't have killed these people if the flag didn't exist? What makes you think he wouldn't have just used a different symbol to justify his actions to himself?

Why don't you magically transport yourself into another dimension where everything is the same except for the absence of the Confederate flag, use a time machine in addition, go back before the shooting and come back with the answer?
 
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  • Scarlett: What are you doing?
    Rhett Butler: I'm leaving you, my dear. All you need now is a divorce and your dreams of Ashley can come true.
    Scarlett: Oh, no! No, you're wrong, terribly wrong! I don't want a divorce. Oh Rhett, but I knew tonight, when I... when I knew I loved you, I ran home to tell you, oh darling, darling!
    Rhett Butler: Please don't go on with this, Leave us some dignity to remember out of our marriage. Spare us this last.
    Scarlett: This last? Oh Rhett, do listen to me, I must have loved you for years, only I was such a stupid fool, I didn't know it. Please believe me, you must care! Melly said you did.
    Rhett Butler: I believe you. What about Ashley Wilkes?
    Scarlett: I... I never really loved Ashley.
    Rhett Butler: You certainly gave a good imitation of it, up till this morning. No Scarlett, I tried everything. If you'd only met me half way, even when I came back from London.
    Scarlett: I was so glad to see you. I was, Rhett, but you were so nasty.
    Rhett Butler: And then when you were sick, it was all my fault... I hoped against hope that you'd call for me, but you didn't.
    Scarlett: I wanted you. I wanted you desperately but I didn't think you wanted me.
    Rhett Butler: It seems we've been at cross purposes, doesn't it? But it's no use now. As long as there was Bonnie, there was a chance that we might be happy. I liked to think that Bonnie was you, a little girl again, before the war, and poverty had done things to you. She was so like you, and I could pet her, and spoil her, as I wanted to spoil you. But when she went, she took everything.
    Scarlett: Oh, Rhett, Rhett please don't say that. I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry for everything.
    Rhett Butler: My darling, you're such a child. You think that by saying, "I'm sorry," all the past can be corrected. Here, take my handkerchief. Never, at any crisis of your life, have I known you to have a handkerchief.
    Scarlett: Rhett! Rhett, where are you going?
    Rhett Butler: I'm going back to Charleston, back where I belong.
    Scarlett: Please, please take me with you!
    Rhett Butler: No, I'm through with everything here. I want peace. I want to see if somewhere there isn't something left in life of charm and grace. Do you know what I'm talking about?
    Scarlett: No! I only know that I love you.
    Rhett Butler: That's your misfortune.
    [Rhett turns to walk down the stairs]
    Scarlett: Oh, Rhett!
    [Scarlett watches Rhett walk to the door]
    Scarlett: Rhett!
    [runs down the stairs after Rhett]
    Scarlett: Rhett, Rhett!
    [catches him as he's walking out the front door]
    Scarlett: Rhett... if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do?
    Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
    [Rhett walks off into the fog]
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Why don't you magically transport yourself into another dimension where everything is the same except for the absence of the Confederate flag, use a time machine in addition, go back before the shooting and come back with the answer?

Lets review:

He feels a feeling of low self worth
He looks and finds something to blame it on: Blacks
He needs a higher purpose to promote his views: The flag

Any questions?

Guess what? You can pretty much put anything in the last two slots. So the question only is how many things do you want to ban?
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Lets review:

He feels a feeling of low self worth
He looks and finds something to blame it on: Blacks
He needs a higher purpose to promote his views: The flag

Any questions?

just one - could you tell us how you know so damn sure that the flag was not part of his motivation since he displayed it so prominently on his web postings?
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

just one - could you tell us how you know so damn sure that the flag was not part of his motivation since he displayed it so prominently on his web postings?

Because I know people will look for something to blame their feelings about themselves on and I know that these people will commonly look for something bigger themselves to rationalize everything they have concluded.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

It's funny watching conservatives preach about the negativity of emotion in debate. It's as if the all the sudden never heard about their political football called "abortion."

My good God...

In any thread where the libs are taking a deserved shellacking, whether its Hilary's lies, Obama's racism, or this ****ing charade, there is no liberal too low not to try to deflect with a completely irrelevant insult.

For God's sake man will you people grow some balls? If this is so right, tell us why? Use words, not some photoshopped picture, use logic and explain in detail how this war on an emblem [an emblem I consider a stupid relic of a stupid time] is going to change mass killings by the mentally ill.

You know, the reason Amerikan liberals disgust me is that you have no backbone. When Obama is caught red handed lying the lie of the century, rather than admit the creep lied, you all run from the debate and complain the coverage is imbalanced.

Now here, in this where we are questioning the drama queen bull**** on the floors of what should be a house of sober thought, your best defense is to hurl the word "abortion"...the internet equivalent of yelling 'fire' in a theatre.

That truly is cowardice.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Emotion overcomes reason, and reason is what keeps us alive. In this case, in another setting, mental health workers would be restraining her, but here, it works, and it convinces others of the need for whatever is being argued...beyond reason.

When I encounter such over the top emotions, I feel I am being manipulated. But then I have seen this whole flag mess as one big manipulation and diversion from the real problem. There are not going to be less shootings mass shootings because the Confederate flag was removed from the SC state house.

Exactly spot on. It is the attempt to manipulate (guilt trip) with over the top emotion that turns me off.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Because I know people will look for something to blame their feelings about themselves on and I know that these people will commonly look for something bigger themselves to rationalize everything they have concluded.

And your knowledge of the motivations of Root is based on what you think you know about people? Got it. :doh

So in your world a symbol of white supremacy and defense of slavery had no role at all in the motivation of a killer of people trying to start a race war because he believed in racial superiority. Okay. :roll:
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

And your knowledge of the motivations of Root is based on what you think you know about people? Got it. :doh

So in your world a symbol of white supremacy and defense of slavery had no role at all in the motivation of a killer of people trying to start a race war because he believed in racial superiority. Okay. :roll:

It's not my problem if you have no understanding of psychology or depression.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

:roll: Jesus Christ woman, get a grip.
The man was crazy and I assure you banning an inanimate object won't change that
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An insanity defense isn't going to save Dylann Roof.

He knew what he was doing and he did it because that's what he wanted to do and he's going to pay a heavy price for that.

Wait and see.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

If not for the Confederate flag, Dylann Roof would have been a lovely young man.
Someone used THIS symbol of hate...

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to stick a bunch of Japanese folks in interment camps.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

  • Scarlett: What are you doing?
    Rhett Butler: I'm leaving you, my dear. All you need now is a divorce and your dreams of Ashley can come true.
    Scarlett: Oh, no! No, you're wrong, terribly wrong! I don't want a divorce. Oh Rhett, but I knew tonight, when I... when I knew I loved you, I ran home to tell you, oh darling, darling!
    Rhett Butler: Please don't go on with this, Leave us some dignity to remember out of our marriage. Spare us this last.
    Scarlett: This last? Oh Rhett, do listen to me, I must have loved you for years, only I was such a stupid fool, I didn't know it. Please believe me, you must care! Melly said you did.
    Rhett Butler: I believe you. What about Ashley Wilkes?
    Scarlett: I... I never really loved Ashley.
    Rhett Butler: You certainly gave a good imitation of it, up till this morning. No Scarlett, I tried everything. If you'd only met me half way, even when I came back from London.
    Scarlett: I was so glad to see you. I was, Rhett, but you were so nasty.
    Rhett Butler: And then when you were sick, it was all my fault... I hoped against hope that you'd call for me, but you didn't.
    Scarlett: I wanted you. I wanted you desperately but I didn't think you wanted me.
    Rhett Butler: It seems we've been at cross purposes, doesn't it? But it's no use now. As long as there was Bonnie, there was a chance that we might be happy. I liked to think that Bonnie was you, a little girl again, before the war, and poverty had done things to you. She was so like you, and I could pet her, and spoil her, as I wanted to spoil you. But when she went, she took everything.
    Scarlett: Oh, Rhett, Rhett please don't say that. I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry for everything.
    Rhett Butler: My darling, you're such a child. You think that by saying, "I'm sorry," all the past can be corrected. Here, take my handkerchief. Never, at any crisis of your life, have I known you to have a handkerchief.
    Scarlett: Rhett! Rhett, where are you going?
    Rhett Butler: I'm going back to Charleston, back where I belong.
    Scarlett: Please, please take me with you!
    Rhett Butler: No, I'm through with everything here. I want peace. I want to see if somewhere there isn't something left in life of charm and grace. Do you know what I'm talking about?
    Scarlett: No! I only know that I love you.
    Rhett Butler: That's your misfortune.
    [Rhett turns to walk down the stairs]
    Scarlett: Oh, Rhett!
    [Scarlett watches Rhett walk to the door]
    Scarlett: Rhett!
    [runs down the stairs after Rhett]
    Scarlett: Rhett, Rhett!
    [catches him as he's walking out the front door]
    Scarlett: Rhett... if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do?
    Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
    [Rhett walks off into the fog]

One of the best scenes in any movie I have ever seen! And "frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" is a classic line that has withstood the test of time! Excellent! :thumbs: I may drag that movie out and watch it again this weekend!
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

From the grounds. Either way, Jesus could this woman be more irrational? Not only did she lose it just for the show and thought it would have an effect, but her justification was just ignorant.

SC law makers overwhelmingly voted to take the flag down not long after she gave her speech, so it obviously it had an effect.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Because it is stupid....The flag did NOTHING to make anyone DO anything.

The flag is representative of a very ugly and failed past. It's racist hatred that clings to that flag, that flys that flag in pride, when in fact it's a matter of shame. Had it merely represented the defense of local autonomy, states rights, there'd be nothing to it. But the fighting was not limited to that but also to the preservation of something very ugly. ;)
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

One of the best scenes in any movie I have ever seen! And "frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" is a classic line that has withstood the test of time! Excellent! :thumbs: I may drag that movie out and watch it again this weekend!

No kidding. An excellent example of highly rehearsed melodrama, just like what went on in SC today. I'd much rather watch the real thing than some amateur playing political games in front of a camera for a predictable response. It was a done deal - this was show-boating.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Someone used THIS symbol of hate...

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to stick a bunch of Japanese folks in interment camps.

The South spit on the US flag and replaced it with their own confederate flag of slavery.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Emotion overcomes reason, and reason is what keeps us alive. In this case, in another setting, mental health workers would be restraining her, but here, it works, and it convinces others of the need for whatever is being argued...beyond reason.

When I encounter such over the top emotions, I feel I am being manipulated. But then I have seen this whole flag mess as one big manipulation and diversion from the real problem. There are not going to be less shootings mass shootings because the Confederate flag was removed from the SC state house.



Do you have any objective proof that supports this statement?

If so, let's see it.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

The South spit on the US flag and replaced it with their own confederate flag of slavery.
And that says what about that horrible oppressive symbol of hatred pictured?
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Someone used THIS symbol of hate...

View attachment 67187047

to stick a bunch of Japanese folks in interment camps.

Yeah, talk about ironies. The "someone" who advocated for the Roosevelt Administration to do that was the then Governor of California, Earl Warren, who later become Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court that tossed out Jim Crow in its landmark Brown v. Board of Education decision and went on to issue other decisions that advanced civil rights.

The Unacknowledged Lesson: Earl Warren and the Japanese Relocation Controversy | VQR Online
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Well that is what this woman did.



What's inane about being opposed to hate and prejudice?




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

The South spit on the US flag and replaced it with their own confederate flag of slavery.

Nonsense.

The Flag of the Northern States flew for over 80 years while Slavery was legal.


The North seemed to only have a problem with slavery when the South wanted to secede.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Because it is stupid....The flag did NOTHING to make anyone DO anything.

The flag represents the killer's heritage, too.
 
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