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    Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ah - I see. So because you disagree with here over an issue of public policy regarding the Confederate flag and what it may or may not stand for - that makes her reasons somehow someway INANE.

    It appears your response is an emotional one.

    But thats okay.
    Only if the emotion is laughter....I mean really now....Come on....

    Ok, so lay out for us just how the flag made Roof do anything?
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    Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Only if the emotion is laughter....I mean really now....Come on....

    Ok, so lay out for us just how the flag made Roof do anything?
    I never claimed it did. I do however think that others have a perfect right to believe that based on how they view the history of the flag and its seeming importance in Roof's postings and views and actions. And holding that view does not make it INANE.
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    Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    It might or might not have been for show. How could you know? And while a few minutes in she cited the shooting as justification, earlier she talked about how her fellow representatives viewed the flag as a symbol of hate. When half of your (capitol) city sees it as a symbol of racism, are you doing your job when you refuse to take it down?
    Well, South Carolina's government is in a impossible situation. They are damned if they do take down the flag, damned if they don't. I think outside sources go invested way to much in this whole event, and now all of the attention has been taken off the victims and their heartfelt forgiveness for what the shooter did.

    That should be what the Charleston shooting should be about, a community coming together and to forgive the shooter in a true Christian way, but instead, outside sources want to make it about a flag. . .

    Got to love how we tear ourselves apart over something so stupid. . .

    (By the way, my bias is to keep the flag there, just FYI)
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    Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I never claimed it did. I do however think that others have a perfect right to believe that based on how they view the history of the flag and its seeming importance in Roof's postings and views and actions. And holding that view does not make it INANE.
    Oh, you're so right......*sniffle*
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    Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I never claimed it did. I do however think that others have a perfect right to believe that based on how they view the history of the flag and its seeming importance in Roof's postings and views and actions. And holding that view does not make it INANE.
    They have the right to believe whatever they want, but they don't have a right to their own facts. Even if the flag didn't exist he would have still killed those people.

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    Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What proof does she have to support her case? That a few people view it as offensive? So what? A few people probably view the American flag as offensive. It's stupid to reference a few people and then follow that up with proclaiming it should be removed.

    And while I don't know if it was done for show, I do know that people do that crap when their case is weak and they are feeling they might not get their way. The evidence just suggests that it was fake and for show, sorry.
    She referenced a few of her colleagues because they had just made speeches about how offensive they found the flag to be. You're really dialing back reality here. 75% of black Americans say that the flag is a symbol of racism. If you want to call that "a few people" rather than "millions of people," feel free to do so. But it seems like you're intentionally underplaying reality.
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    Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Because it is stupid....The flag did NOTHING to make anyone DO anything.
    Of course it did. Stop it. It made Dylann Roof kill people. He wouldn't have killed anyone if they had removed that flag from the statehouse.

    And if Son of Sam's neighbor hadn't bought a black Labrador Retriever, David Berkowitz would have just been a big cuddly teddy bear all his life, and not terrorized New York City for an entire summer.
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    Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    Well, South Carolina's government is in a impossible situation. They are damned if they do take down the flag, damned if they don't. I think outside sources go invested way to much in this whole event, and now all of the attention has been taken off the victims and their heartfelt forgiveness for what the shooter did.

    That should be what the Charleston shooting should be about, a community coming together and to forgive the shooter in a true Christian way, but instead, outside sources want to make it about a flag. . .

    Got to love how we tear ourselves apart over something so stupid. . .

    (By the way, my bias is to keep the flag there, just FYI)
    If you live in Penn, you're closer to SC than I am, so you should know better than I do that the debate about the flag isn't new.

    A lot of what you said sounds good to me, but to the perspective of millions of people (myself included), continuing to fly the confederate flag at the capitol makes it look like you are condoning racism. Maybe not quite condoning, but close to it.
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    Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    She referenced a few of her colleagues because they had just made speeches about how offensive they found the flag to be. You're really dialing back reality here. 75% of black Americans say that the flag is a symbol of racism. If you want to call that "a few people" rather than "millions of people," feel free to do so. But it seems like you're intentionally underplaying reality.
    Yes, and 57% of people overall view it as a symbol of southern pride. Why should blacks frankly irrational view of the flag trump 57% of the people?

    And it's 72% of blacks that view it as a symbol of racism, not 75%.
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    Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Of course it did. Stop it. It made Dylann Roof kill people. He wouldn't have killed anyone if they had removed that flag from the statehouse.

    And if Son of Sam's neighbor hadn't bought a black Labrador Retriever, David Berkowitz would have just been a big cuddly teddy bear all his life, and not terrorized New York City for an entire summer.
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