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    Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Thu July 9, 2015

    Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama believes the chances of getting a nuclear agreement with Iran are now "below 50-50," according to a top Democratic senator who attended a closed-door meeting with the President Tuesday night. "He said in the course of the negotiations he's been more optimistic, less optimistic. And he said that the chances at this point are below 50-50," said Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the Assistant Democratic Leader and a close ally of Obama's.

    The comments lowering expectations for a deal curbing Iran's nuclear program come after negotiations on a final deal have already blown through two deadlines and seem likely to go past a third on Friday. Another lawmaker briefed on the negotiations explained to CNN that the administration has been taken aback by last-minute Iranian refusals to give ground on revealing the past military dimensions of the program and their insistence on lifting missile restrictions.
    If Iran's nuclear program were always and exclusively only for peaceful purposes, there would be no reason for the Iranians to resist complying with the bolded above so ferociously.

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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Damn, there go the chances for Peace Prizes all around.
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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

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    Damn, there go the chances for Peace Prizes all around.
    Damn. You're right. And Kerry already bought the frame. Just damn. Where's James Taylor?
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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

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    If Iran's nuclear program were always and exclusively only for peaceful purposes, there would be no reason for the Iranians to resist complying with the bolded above so ferociously.
    It seems to me our negotiating teams, led by John Kerry, have been woefully nave when it comes to who they are meeting with. From my experience in working with people from that part of world, there really is little to negotiate. It usually comes down to an understanding of how much tolerance there will be when an agreement is violated. Every agreement I have ever had with business people from the Middle East carries this unwritten, but spoken, understanding. They know it, and respect it.

    The cat is out of the bag. Iran will have offensive and defensive nukes. It's foolish to think otherwise. The negotiations should be centered on an understanding of what the response will be should they be used, or sold. Outside of that, all this effort is really a waste of time.
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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It seems to me our negotiating teams, led by John Kerry, have been woefully nave when it comes to who they are meeting with. From my experience in working with people from that part of world, there really is little to negotiate. It usually comes down to an understanding of how much tolerance there will be when an agreement is violated. Every agreement I have ever had with business people from the Middle East carries this unwritten, but spoken, understanding. They know it, and respect it.

    The cat is out of the bag. Iran will have offensive and defensive nukes. It's foolish to think otherwise. The negotiations should be centered on an understanding of what the response will be should they be used, or sold. Outside of that, all this effort is really a waste of time.
    Yeah, if John Kerry happened to stumble on this forum in the last few months I would like to apologize for the spoilers.
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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    It will be sad if the Iran deal does not fall through, although I would hope that Obama would receive some credit for walking away from a bad deal, especially from the conservative commentators who have lambasted him for "trying to give Iran the bomb" or "wanting a bad deal."

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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    It will be sad if the Iran deal does not fall through, although I would hope that Obama would receive some credit for walking away from a bad deal, especially from the conservative commentators who have lambasted him for "trying to give Iran the bomb" or "wanting a bad deal."
    The only problem is that we have been paying Iran billions of dollars a month to sit at the table with us. If the negotiation ends with no agreement and business as usual we will have done nothing but make the Iranian regime wealthier. The only way the Obama administration could have come out ahead in this negotiation is if they brokered an enforceable deal with Iran that would prevent them from building a nuclear weapon. That was never likely not going to happen, however, so if the negotiation falls through then sending $12 billion to Iran as a precondition for joining in this farce would be the lasting legacy.
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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    It will be sad if the Iran deal does not fall through, although I would hope that Obama would receive some credit for walking away from a bad deal, especially from the conservative commentators who have lambasted him for "trying to give Iran the bomb" or "wanting a bad deal."
    Exactly. I've been listening to "Obama will give away anything and do anything for a nuclear deal" for months now. If he wanted it that badly, that he didn't even care what he was giving away, we'd already have a deal.

    I'll be interested in hearing how many of them will fess up to being wrong, lol.

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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    It seems to me that this administration is daydreaming while at the wheel.
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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The only problem is that we have been paying Iran billions of dollars a month to sit at the table with us.
    We haven't been paying them.

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