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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The only problem is that we have been paying Iran billions of dollars a month to sit at the table with us. If the negotiation ends with no agreement and business as usual we will have done nothing but make the Iranian regime wealthier. The only way the Obama administration could have come out ahead in this negotiation is if they brokered an enforceable deal with Iran that would prevent them from building a nuclear weapon. That was never likely not going to happen, however, so if the negotiation falls through then sending $12 billion to Iran as a precondition for joining in this farce would be the lasting legacy.
    Are you talking about the interim deal? And the willingness by the Obama administration to unfreeze Iranian assets in exchange for them upholding their end of the interim deal?

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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    We haven't been paying them.
    False.
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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    We haven't paid them. We've released assets that were previously frozen. It was money that already belonged to them that we seized that we are agreeing to release if they sit at the table.

    That's not the same thing as paying them.

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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    We haven't paid them. We've released assets that were previously frozen. It was money that already belonged to them that we seized that we are agreeing to release if they sit at the table.

    That's not the same thing as paying them.
    Translation: "We didn't give them a po-tay-to, we gave them a po-tah-to!"
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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Exactly. I've been listening to "Obama will give away anything and do anything for a nuclear deal" for months now. If he wanted it that badly, that he didn't even care what he was giving away, we'd already have a deal.

    I'll be interested in hearing how many of them will fess up to being wrong, lol.
    It seems that everyone who said this was foolish and Obama is an idiot is correct. Let's get it right here. The Iranians are so unwilling to give absolutely anything, that Obama can't even make a bad deal, which is the only deal that could possibly be made here.
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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Translation: "We didn't give them a po-tay-to, we gave them a po-tah-to!"
    You don't see a difference between me taking 100 dollars out of your wallet and then giving it back to you and me taking a hundred dollars out of my wallet and giving it to you?

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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    It seems that everyone who said this was foolish and Obama is an idiot is correct. Let's get it right here. The Iranians are so unwilling to give absolutely anything, that Obama can't even make a bad deal, which is the only deal that could possibly be made here.
    Obama could make a bad deal. Very easily. Right now they are only balking at giving up the history of the program. He's stepping away for a better deal.

    You guys are laughable. Not only are negotiations bad, but they can't possibly be good, lol.

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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    You don't see a difference between me taking 100 dollars out of your wallet and then giving it back to you and me taking a hundred dollars out of my wallet and giving it to you?
    You don't see the difference between withholding $12 billion dollars from the world's largest funder of international terrorism and releasing $12 billion dollars to the world's largest funder of international terrorism?
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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You don't see the difference between withholding $12 billion dollars from the world's largest funder of international terrorism and releasing $12 billion dollars to the world's largest funder of international terrorism?
    I see the difference. But neither of those are the same as "paying" them 12 billion dollars. I'm not saying it's a great idea to release the money, but either way it's not a payment.

    Also, I don't know if your statement that they are the worlds largest funder of terrorism is accurate. If we are going by "lets not give money to people who fund terrorists" then we should suspend all activity with Saudi Arabia and Qutar.

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    Re: Obama: Chances of an Iran nuclear deal now lower than 50-50

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Obama could make a bad deal. Very easily. Right now they are only balking at giving up the history of the program. He's stepping away for a better deal.

    You guys are laughable. Not only are negotiations bad, but they can't possibly be good, lol.
    Bad? This has to be about the worst negotiation ever! So, you are telling me that going in, Iran can get $12 billion for only coming to the negotiating table? If they give us absolutely nothing, and continue with their nuke program, they walk away with $12 billion.

    Gee, who would think that they would take the $12 billion, give up nothing, and walk away?
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