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U.S. South Carolina House Approves Bill to Remove Confederate Flag

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South Carolina House Approves Bill to Remove Confederate Flag - ABC News

The South Carolina House has approved a bill to remove the Confederate flag from the Statehouse grounds, and the flag could be removed within days.

The move early Thursday came after more than 13 hours of debate.

The House approved the Senate bill by more than a two-thirds margin. The bill now heads to the desk of Republican Gov. Nikki Haley, who supports the measure.

“Today, as the Senate did before them, the House of Representatives has served the State of South Carolina and her people with great dignity,” Haley said in a statement following the House vote. “I'm grateful for their service and their compassion. It is a new day in South Carolina, a day we can all be proud of, a day that truly brings us all together as we continue to heal, as one people and one state.”


It's about time.

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Now that the procedures to remove the flag have been taken... and some can no longer use those procedures to ignore calls for taking down the flag, stay tuned for arguments whining about people being PC in 5... 4.... 3.... 2....
 
Hate and prejudice are emotions that will not be eliminated by the removal of a flag. How we handle these emotions is the answer. The realization these emotions exist in all people and that only our ability to control these emotions is the real solution to the problem. Maybe in a another 150 years we will work towards the real solution. Of course people probably said that when they were building the pyramids.
 
Right side of history... or something.
 
It is a historical document and should be treated as such. Put it where it belongs, in a museum. It should be on a state or federal property.
 
Appropriate move, though they had little choice and there's no pat on the back to these guys. Georgia removed it fourteen years ago, without such intense pressure.
 
It will be interesting to see how many of those elected officials do or do not get re-elected as a result of voting to take down the confederate flag.

I doubt the majority of voters cared enough one way or the other to base their vote on that. I could be wrong.
 
Yay! The flag is gone! That means racism and violence will be gone...right?
 
I doubt the majority of voters cared enough one way or the other to base their vote on that. I could be wrong.

Sure to most people outside the South it is a symbol of slavery, inbred hillbillies, Redneck hillbillies doing unrealistic stunts in a orange Dodge Charger, treason, only put it in the 1950s/60s in the south to intimidate civil rights groups and racism. However many Southerners see the Confederate battle flag a symbol of Southern pride and this could be viewed by those voters(those who are politically knowledgeable and those who are not politically knowledgeable) as their elected officials ****ting on that symbol of southern pride out of political cowardice. I could see this costing many of those elected officials their job. If this was at a federal level you would be right, the vast majority of voters have a short attention span and do not pay attention to politics. However it is not quite the same thing at the local level.
 
Cool. Those 9 people are coming back to life, right?


Does fag refer to a homosexual or a bundle of sticks?


The flag is not a symbol of hate, stupid libs and that screeching crying freak (I feel bad for her husband), its a symbol of Southern Pride. Things change meaning over time. The rebel flag no longer stands for racism, get the **** over it, old people.
 
Cool. Those 9 people are coming back to life, right?


Does fag refer to a homosexual or a bundle of sticks?


The flag is not a symbol of hate, stupid libs and that screeching crying freak (I feel bad for her husband), its a symbol of Southern Pride. Things change meaning over time. The rebel flag no longer stands for racism, get the **** over it, old people.

Get over it. Your ****ing nasty flags gone.
 
Get over it. Your ****ing nasty flags gone.

Its not my flag, Im a Yankee. Im just not a sensitive slobbering liberal *****, so I dont get bothered by the polyester blend.


Also I am a VERY tolerant person. I can tolerate people who are proud of their Southern heritage and their flag without going on a heavy-flow period, unlike you.
 
Its not my flag, Im a Yankee. Im just not a sensitive slobbering liberal *****, so I dont get bothered by the polyester blend.


Also I am a VERY tolerant person. I can tolerate people who are proud of their Southern heritage and their flag without going on a heavy-flow period, unlike you.

So you can get by on the mini-pads, I see. Human trafficking and slavery is sure a heritage to be proud of. Why would a Yankee cheer that on?
 
Sure to most people outside the South it is a symbol of slavery, inbred hillbillies, Redneck hillbillies doing unrealistic stunts in a orange Dodge Charger, treason, only put it in the 1950s/60s in the south to intimidate civil rights groups and racism. However many Southerners see the Confederate battle flag a symbol of Southern pride and this could be viewed by those voters(those who are politically knowledgeable and those who are not politically knowledgeable) as their elected officials ****ting on that symbol of southern pride out of political cowardice. I could see this costing many of those elected officials their job. If this was at a federal level you would be right, the vast majority of voters have a short attention span and do not pay attention to politics. However it is not quite the same thing at the local level.

I could be wrong, but I don't think it's true that MOST southerners see the Confederate flag as a symbol of heritage, etc. I was born and raised in deep south Louisiana. Spent several months in Tennessee, and drove the whole way from Louisiana. Drove to Florida, crossing Mississippi and Alabama on the way. Not once in my entire life in the south did I see the Confederate flag flown or hear it referenced, or hear anyone say anything about our proud heritage during or before the Civil War. (Altho it's possible I saw it in a window of a pickup truck on the highway but don't remember that.)

I think it is a symbol for SOME southerners who are extremist or maybe even white supremacy sympathizers or say they revere the flag because they don't want the liberals to win an argument (as the southerners see it). If it were really a symbol of some proud heritage in the south by a LOT of southerners, I would have heard about it or seen the flag somewhere. It seems as if this symbol thing with the flag is mainly in a two or three states, and only some of the people there.
 
Cool. Those 9 people are coming back to life, right?


Does fag refer to a homosexual or a bundle of sticks?


The flag is not a symbol of hate, stupid libs and that screeching crying freak (I feel bad for her husband), its a symbol of Southern Pride. Things change meaning over time. The rebel flag no longer stands for racism, get the **** over it, old people.

Who are you to say what it means as a symbol to someone?

When I see it, one thing it symbolizes is that the people of the South decided to fight for the right to keep people as property. That is offensive. It is the battle flag of that fight. That is a fact.

If Southern people believe strongly in commemorating a war in which they got their asses kicked, that's their right. They can believe in that symbol. But it doesnt change the fact that that symbol also is a reminder, everyday, to those who did find that fighting for slavery was an abomination.
 
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's true that MOST southerners see the Confederate flag as a symbol of heritage, etc. I was born and raised in deep south Louisiana. Spent several months in Tennessee, and drove the whole way from Louisiana. Drove to Florida, crossing Mississippi and Alabama on the way. Not once in my entire life in the south did I see the Confederate flag flown or hear it referenced, or hear anyone say anything about our proud heritage during or before the Civil War. (Altho it's possible I saw it in a window of a pickup truck on the highway but don't remember that.)

Are you or those people you refer to unaware of the actual history of that flag?? :doh

And I've seen it flown many times in the South. All over the place, half the time on the plastic cups I was drinking beer out of.
 
Who are you to say what it means as a symbol to someone?

Ask yourself the same ****ing question.

When I see it, one thing it symbolizes is that the people of the South decided to fight for the right to keep people as property. That is offensive.

Yea Im sure its kept you up many a night hasnt it? :roll: Stop lying.

It is the battle flag of that fight. That is a fact.


It WAS the battle flag of that fight.

If Southern people believe strongly in commemorating a war in which they got their asses kicked, that's their right. They can believe in that symbol. But it doesnt change the fact that that symbol also is a reminder, everyday, to those who did find that fighting for slavery was an abomination.

Southern soldiers were pound for pound the best fighting force in the entire world at that time. They got beat because they lacked resources, not because they lacked fighting skill. They were far outnumbers and more northerners died in that war than Southerners. And Southerns werent barbarian rapists, murderers, and thieves like the northerners were. Sickening.

Anyway the meaning changed...its a flag of southern pride. Why do you hate people who are proud of where they are from? Is it because liberals are hateful and intolerant by nature?
 
Why would a Yankee cheer that on?

The only thing I am cheering on is people being allowed to be proud of where they come from. Im proud of my state, why cant they be proud of theirs? Why cant LIBS simply DISAGREE with someone, instead of FORCING people to submit to their radical PC beliefs?

I dont have a problem because Im tolerant and not a sensitive hipster ***** liberal douche (Ive went over this already). I would recommend that you join the club.
 
Ask yourself the same ****ing question.



Yea Im sure its kept you up many a night hasnt it? :roll: Stop lying.




It WAS the battle flag of that fight.



Southern soldiers were pound for pound the best fighting force in the entire world at that time. They got beat because they lacked resources, not because they lacked fighting skill. They were far outnumbers and more northerners died in that war than Southerners. And Southerns werent barbarian rapists, murderers, and thieves like the northerners were. Sickening.

Anyway the meaning changed...its a flag of southern pride. Why do you hate people who are proud of where they are from? Is it because liberals are hateful and intolerant by nature?

Oh well. Hey, you arent crying are you? Seem a little emotional but no worries, no one's itching to marry you either, lol.

Again, the symbolism can legitimately be different for different people. What it meant, historically, *hasnt changed.* If people want to fly it, good for them. As you wrote..it was the battle flag for that fight and they lost. Seems dumb to me to keep celebrating it but up to them. But it's inappropriate for a govt office or organization to do so when that state or local govt receives fed funds. A bit childish.

And where did I ever say I hated anyone? Honey, your emotions have gotten the better of you. Now, dry those tears and off you go!
 
Oh well. Hey, you arent crying are you? Seem a little emotional but no worries, no one's itching to marry you either, lol.

Again, the symbolism can legitimately be different for different people. What it meant, historically, *hasnt changed.* If people want to fly it, good for them. As you wrote...they lost. Seems dumb to me to keep celebrating it but up to them. But it's inappropriate for a govt office or organization to do so when that state or local govt receives fed funds. A bit childish.

And where did I ever say I hated anyone? Honey, your emotions have gotten the better of you. Now, dry those tears and off you go!

I bet you hate me right now. I am living in your head rent free.

Ahhhh but it only matters what YOU think and you dont even live in SC....you live in the hippy north west where you are racist if your black tires are underinflated.
 
Does fag refer to a homosexual or a bundle of sticks?

Oh man, I could so make a joke about that. I won't, but oh man, do I want too.
 
I bet you hate me right now. I am living in your head rent free.

Ahhhh but it only matters what YOU think and you dont even live in SC....you live in the hippy north west where you are racist if your black tires are underinflated.

Wow, a 100% fantasy post...about lil' ol' me! Hey, I'm out on my nice cool rural porch....and you are entertainment.

(Pssst! Note: I am not the one all angry and defensive.)
 
Wow, a 100% fantasy post...about lil' ol' me! Hey, I'm out on my nice cool rural porch....and you are entertainment.

(Pssst! Note: I am not the one all angry and defensive.)

Of course you are...you are getting all hateful of people because they disagree with you. YOU support FORCING people to do things they dont want to do. Normally the tyrant does not know he is a tyrant (even though I am directly telling you).

THEY dont think they are racist...but you know them better than they know themselves apparently. You...on your porch (I am there with you, for free)...know people 2000 miles away BETTER than they know themselves. Some ego you have there.
 
How's SC being forced to do anything? They've faced protests and economic hardships over this flag for years and haven't taken it down. Now, after the Charleston shooting, the legislature of SC has decided to take it down.

Expressing an opinion isn't "forcing" someone to do something. South Carolina exercised its "state right" to fly the flag, and has now exercised that same right to take it down.
 
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