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GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

GOP leaders fear damage to party

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Trump loves $. He isn't (really?) this stupid is he? He is hurting his short-term profits, what is his long game here? Is he secretly trying to sabotage the GOP?

He's secretly working for the DNC. What's funny is he proves what we've been saying about the GOP all along. Just look at his polling numbers.
 
He's secretly working for the DNC. What's funny is he proves what we've been saying about the GOP all along. Just look at his polling numbers.

He's creating a real "branding" problem for the Republican Party and the Party leadership's appeasement is allowing that problem to become ever more damaging. An analogy created based on the outcome of Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus' recent phone conversation with Donald Trump:

The protagonists are Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus and José (representing the nation's growing Latino electorate). The fictional conversation takes place in a large tent.

RP: José, I'm sorry, but you have to leave.

J: But why?

RP: We need to make room for "the Donald." He has demanding preferences.

J: But I thought you had a "big tent" where all were welcome.

RP: We do. It's big, but not that big. Adios.

José departs. Shortly, thereafter, ground is broken around the tent. Construction on "the Great Wall of Trump" commences that, when completed, would lock out unwanted intruders (prospective new voters). At the same time, a bill for the project's construction, addressed to the Los Pinos residence in Mexico City, is being prepared.

Although this analogy is purely fictional and does not reflect the RNC Chairman's actual desire to attract Latino voters to the Party (now being undercut by his indecision), it reflects how Latino voters see the RNC's accommodation of Trump's candidacy. There is a growing risk that not only will the GOP lose even more of its limited support among this growing group of voters, but that the split could be enduring. In a worst-case scenario, one might be talking about something along the lines of the GOP's persistent near total lack of competitiveness among African American voters.
 
He's creating a real "branding" problem for the Republican Party and the Party leadership's appeasement is allowing that problem to become ever more damaging. An analogy created based on the outcome of Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus' recent phone conversation with Donald Trump:

The protagonists are Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus and José (representing the nation's growing Latino electorate). The fictional conversation takes place in a large tent.

RP: José, I'm sorry, but you have to leave.

J: But why?

RP: We need to make room for "the Donald." He has demanding preferences.

J: But I thought you had a "big tent" where all were welcome.

RP: We do. It's big, but not that big. Adios.

José departs. Shortly, thereafter, ground is broken around the tent. Construction on "the Great Wall of Trump" commences that, when completed, would lock out unwanted intruders (prospective new voters). At the same time, a bill for the project's construction, addressed to the Los Pinos residence in Mexico City, is being prepared.

Although this analogy is purely fictional and does not reflect the RNC Chairman's actual desire to attract Latino voters to the Party (now being undercut by his indecision), it reflects how Latino voters see the RNC's accommodation of Trump's candidacy. There is a growing risk that not only will the GOP lose even more of its limited support among this growing group of voters, but that the split could be enduring. In a worst-case scenario, one might be talking about something along the lines of the GOP's persistent near total lack of competitiveness among African American voters.

That does make sense. I just think that his polling numbers indicate that the problem isn't just inside the RNC.
 
Yeah there's no immigrants in the Northeast. It's lilly white here. LOL

psssssst. My neighbors are Mexican. Cross the street there's a woman from Ireland, her neighbors are from Greece. Italians kitty corner from them. Germans, Poles and all the rest are neighbors too. It's a regular UN here, always has been. But yeah I don't know what the hell is going on.

Now I'm sure you are going to say you are only talking about illegal immigrants. There's plenty of them here too. And I agree something needs to be done, it's a mess. But you Cons got to take the partisan, everything is Obama and the Dems fault glasses off and realize the GOP is just as guilty. They had many, many chances to fix the mess, but they don't. A couple days ago I posted an example of even in Texas, where they want to pass bills that have tough penalties for employers who hire illegals, but they back off because as one GOP politician in TX said, if they don't pass the bill with exceptions a large portition of Tx. population would end up in jail.

Instead of just nodding blindly when GOP politicians talk about immigration, hold their feet to the fire. Ask them why in the past they did nothing. Ask them if the will buck their business donors who like and want cheap labor immigrants.

Your assumption was correct. I am referring to illegal aliens, not legal immigrants.

Also, at present, it is the Democratic Party, and the President of the United States, who is actively encouraging illegal immigration, and who is actively pandering to them by excusing their lawlessness, and rewarding their actions.

Your attempt to deflect from this fact does not remove the blame from liberal/progressives who are responsible for these policies and create such absurdities as Sanctuary Cities.
 
Your assumption was correct. I am referring to illegal aliens, not legal immigrants.

Also, at present, it is the Democratic Party, and the President of the United States, who is actively encouraging illegal immigration, and who is actively pandering to them by excusing their lawlessness, and rewarding their actions.

Your attempt to deflect from this fact does not remove the blame from liberal/progressives who are responsible for these policies and create such absurdities as Sanctuary Cities.

And you and the most others in the GOP are being played by the Republican politicians and their business donors and their interests.

The Dems absolutely deserve some of the blame, but it was Reagan who gave amnesty, and Bush 2 who wanted to give amnesty again. But hey the Republican politicians keep throwing the red meat to their base, and that keeps the GOP base pointing their fingers at Obama and the Dems only. All the while the GOP smiles, winks and nods to their business donors and buddies and let our workforce get flooded with cheap labor. Businesses love cheap labor.
 
And you and the most others in the GOP are being played by the Republican politicians and their business donors and their interests.

The Dems absolutely deserve some of the blame, but it was Reagan who gave amnesty, and Bush 2 who wanted to give amnesty again. But hey the Republican politicians keep throwing the red meat to their base, and that keeps the GOP base pointing their fingers at Obama and the Dems only. All the while the GOP smiles, winks and nods to their business donors and buddies and let our workforce get flooded with cheap labor. Businesses love cheap labor.

As to Reagan, the "fool me once" principle comes to mind. The illegals proved why they can't be trusted. Consider the country they are trying to escape.

As to the red meat deflection. Why are you ignoring the active effort by Democrats to encourage illegal aliens to come here? What Republican in a position of power has used the power of their office to thwart the Federal Government from carrying out their sworn duty to uphold the laws that are on the books?

This issue may be complicated, but there is no escaping the blame for the current out of control results caused by the President of the United States, and members of the Democratic Party who are, and were, in power.
 
As to Reagan, the "fool me once" principle comes to mind. The illegals proved why they can't be trusted. Consider the country they are trying to escape.

As to the red meat deflection. Why are you ignoring the active effort by Democrats to encourage illegal aliens to come here? What Republican in a position of power has used the power of their office to thwart the Federal Government from carrying out their sworn duty to uphold the laws that are on the books?

This issue may be complicated, but there is no escaping the blame for the current out of control results caused by the President of the United States, and members of the Democratic Party who are, and were, in power.

I said it's partly the Dems fault too. You keep pointing at the Dems while ignoring that fact that when the GOP has the power they do nothing too. It's a game. Bush 2 also wanted to give amnesty so you're fool me once doesn't work either. I'm tired of saying it. The GOP loves businesses, and businesses love cheap labor. Add 2 and 2. But you guys keep thinking the GOP will do something about this.

From 2004:

Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns
Published January 08, 2004 FoxNews.com
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The massive new immigration initiative unveiled by the White House has Democrats and ethnic identity organizations accusing Republicans of election-year pandering, and has the Republican base wondering whether George W. Bush and the Republican Party has sold them out.

The initiative, which draws heavily on legislation already introduced in Congress by three Arizona Republicans, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Flake and Rep. Jim Kolbe, has two central components. It would provide a mechanism by which some U.S. businesses would be able to import an unlimited number of low-wage foreign workers, and it would allow most of the roughly 10 million illegal aliens already in the United States a means by which they (and their extended families) would be able to remain legally -- and permanently -- in the United States.

Advocates of strong enforcement of U.S. immigration laws charge that the new Bush plan is really a massive new amnesty for illegal aliens, in spite of repeated Bush administration assurances to the contrary. The administration, and the Republican sponsors of the parallel McCain-Kolbe-Flake plan (search) on Capitol Hill, claim that their plans are not really amnesties because they require illegal aliens to pay a small fee and wait a short time before they can receive their legal permanent status.

continued-

Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns | Fox News

10 years ago but pay attention to the language. Allow an unlimited amount of "LOW WAGE EARNERS". Republicans in Congress, Republican president saying one thing but pushing for amnesty.

Does this stuff sound familiar????
 
I said it's partly the Dems fault too. You keep pointing at the Dems while ignoring that fact that when the GOP has the power they do nothing too. It's a game. Bush 2 also wanted to give amnesty so you're fool me once doesn't work either. I'm tired of saying it. The GOP loves businesses, and businesses love cheap labor. Add 2 and 2. But you guys keep thinking the GOP will do something about this.

From 2004:

Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns
Published January 08, 2004 FoxNews.com
Facebook6 Twitter0 Email Print
The massive new immigration initiative unveiled by the White House has Democrats and ethnic identity organizations accusing Republicans of election-year pandering, and has the Republican base wondering whether George W. Bush and the Republican Party has sold them out.

The initiative, which draws heavily on legislation already introduced in Congress by three Arizona Republicans, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Flake and Rep. Jim Kolbe, has two central components. It would provide a mechanism by which some U.S. businesses would be able to import an unlimited number of low-wage foreign workers, and it would allow most of the roughly 10 million illegal aliens already in the United States a means by which they (and their extended families) would be able to remain legally -- and permanently -- in the United States.

Advocates of strong enforcement of U.S. immigration laws charge that the new Bush plan is really a massive new amnesty for illegal aliens, in spite of repeated Bush administration assurances to the contrary. The administration, and the Republican sponsors of the parallel McCain-Kolbe-Flake plan (search) on Capitol Hill, claim that their plans are not really amnesties because they require illegal aliens to pay a small fee and wait a short time before they can receive their legal permanent status.

continued-

Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns | Fox News

10 years ago but pay attention to the language. Allow an unlimited amount of "LOW WAGE EARNERS". Republicans in Congress, Republican president saying one thing but pushing for amnesty.

Does this stuff sound familiar????

Well yes, it does. I rejected the pandering Bush was attempting at the time. Bill Clinton signed into law immigration reform. Obviously, that was not something the illegal alien lobby wanted.

The fact is, the end game of the left is full amnesty, and further allowances to pander to the illegal alien lobby in return for votes. From my experience, Republicans are supportive of workable guest worker programs, and certainly legal immigration with reforms to shorten the long process. What registered Republicans don't want is the blanket approach Democrats are pushing for, nor the rewards for law breaking illegals have been granted.

It is disingenuous to suggest Republicans were not interested in addressing the illegal issue when at the time.

Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act into law September 30, 1996. This legislation was passed by a Republican majority in Congress, so it's absurd to suggest Republicans have done nothing about immigration. However, the left has ignored it's previsions, and pretends it doesn't exist and never happened, as you have, only pointing to Reagan in a "see, he did it" attempt to deflect from the truth.

This young woman is dead in part because of policies the left have been pushing, and continue to push. Future blood is on their hands.
 
Well yes, it does. I rejected the pandering Bush was attempting at the time. Bill Clinton signed into law immigration reform. Obviously, that was not something the illegal alien lobby wanted.

The fact is, the end game of the left is full amnesty, and further allowances to pander to the illegal alien lobby in return for votes. From my experience, Republicans are supportive of workable guest worker programs, and certainly legal immigration with reforms to shorten the long process. What registered Republicans don't want is the blanket approach Democrats are pushing for, nor the rewards for law breaking illegals have been granted.

It is disingenuous to suggest Republicans were not interested in addressing the illegal issue when at the time.

Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act into law September 30, 1996. This legislation was passed by a Republican majority in Congress, so it's absurd to suggest Republicans have done nothing about immigration. However, the left has ignored it's previsions, and pretends it doesn't exist and never happened, as you have, only pointing to Reagan in a "see, he did it" attempt to deflect from the truth.

This young woman is dead in part because of policies the left have been pushing, and continue to push. Future blood is on their hands.
Yep. You are a typical conservative. I admit both sides are at fault, but you keep making excuses for the GOP. I prove the GOP has ignored the problem but you excuse them and put the blame on Clinton and the Dems. Unless Republicans like you take your blinders off the GOP will just keep fooling the GOP base.
 
Yep. You are a typical conservative. I admit both sides are at fault, but you keep making excuses for the GOP. I prove the GOP has ignored the problem but you excuse them and put the blame on Clinton and the Dems. Unless Republicans like you take your blinders off the GOP will just keep fooling the GOP base.

LOL

Please show me legislation Democrats have passed to address the issue. Why are you choosing to ignore the 1996 IIRIRA? Republicans continue to reject blanket amnesty, as illegals have proven they are liars, as evidenced by the experience when Reagan was in office.

Deflect all you want, the facts are facts.
 
:shock:

The DailyKos post of Media Matters post involved a conversation that occurred shortly after the killing, and before any facts were known. Geeze, can these Progressive Machine flugelhorns get any more laughable?

As the tens of thousands of victims of illegal aliens can testify, Trump was 100% accurate in his statement. Why not come to Southern California and see for yourself. Perhaps your vantage point in the Northeast allows you to stay away from the truth.

"Progressive Machine flugelhorns" LOL. That's a keeper! :thumbs:
 
That's a good point...Trump is the vindictive sort so if he was kept out of the race or felt mistreated I could see him running as a 3rd party

Yeah, I can see him doing that too. And even so, with his running as a 3rd party candidate, he'll still influence the conversation and debates.

This would be a win for both Trump and the GOP, so I can see that as a possible development.
 
And you and the most others in the GOP are being played by the Republican politicians and their business donors and their interests.

The Dems absolutely deserve some of the blame, but it was Reagan who gave amnesty, and Bush 2 who wanted to give amnesty again. But hey the Republican politicians keep throwing the red meat to their base, and that keeps the GOP base pointing their fingers at Obama and the Dems only. All the while the GOP smiles, winks and nods to their business donors and buddies and let our workforce get flooded with cheap labor. Businesses love cheap labor.

This recounting of history demonstrates the Republican out reach to illegal immigrants and trying to come to a better solution for them, does it not? I mean 2 Republican presidents gave / wanted to give amnesty to illegal immigrants.
 
Yeah, I can see him doing that too. And even so, with his running as a 3rd party candidate, he'll still influence the conversation and debates.

This would be a win for both Trump and the GOP, so I can see that as a possible development.

He would also take votes away the Republican candidate though. It's the GOP base that would turn out to vote for him. I dunno if it's good for the GOP to split it's votes in a national election.
 
He would also take votes away the Republican candidate though. It's the GOP base that would turn out to vote for him. I dunno if it's good for the GOP to split it's votes in a national election.

Yeah, I can see that, and no, splitting the vote that way wouldn't be.
 
As to Reagan, the "fool me once" principle comes to mind. The illegals proved why they can't be trusted. Consider the country they are trying to escape.

As to the red meat deflection. Why are you ignoring the active effort by Democrats to encourage illegal aliens to come here? What Republican in a position of power has used the power of their office to thwart the Federal Government from carrying out their sworn duty to uphold the laws that are on the books?

This issue may be complicated, but there is no escaping the blame for the current out of control results caused by the President of the United States, and members of the Democratic Party who are, and were, in power.

Can you point to any data that the situation is "out of control" thanks to Obama, which would imply that it was "in control" during the Bush years?

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LOL

Please show me legislation Democrats have passed to address the issue. Why are you choosing to ignore the 1996 IIRIRA? Republicans continue to reject blanket amnesty, as illegals have proven they are liars, as evidenced by the experience when Reagan was in office.

Deflect all you want, the facts are facts.

LOL illegals have proven they're liars how? They're invited here by thousands, maybe 10s of thousands of employers offering them good jobs for an honest day's labor. Did those in Mexico when Reagan signed amnesty take an oath not to come and take the jobs our employers offer them by the MILLIONS? Can you show us this pledge? The bottom line is as long as we offer illegals MILLIONS of jobs when they get here, which is what we've done for decades, they will ALWAYS find a way to cross the border. The rewards are too great and there is really little reason for a person looking for a better life not to try.
 
Can you point to any data that the situation is "out of control" thanks to Obama, which would imply that it was "in control" during the Bush years?

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The figures presented by Pew are laughable at best. Considering the massive influx of illegal aliens across the border in the last two years, one would have to be willfully blind to the increase.
 
LOL illegals have proven they're liars how? They're invited here by thousands, maybe 10s of thousands of employers offering them good jobs for an honest day's labor. Did those in Mexico when Reagan signed amnesty take an oath not to come and take the jobs our employers offer them by the MILLIONS? Can you show us this pledge? The bottom line is as long as we offer illegals MILLIONS of jobs when they get here, which is what we've done for decades, they will ALWAYS find a way to cross the border. The rewards are too great and there is really little reason for a person looking for a better life not to try.

So the argument is illegal aliens are responding to invitations from employers? Can you provide a copy of said invitation? Let's try to stay a little bit reasonable and rational, or there really is no point in any exchange.
 
And Trump is still polling well. The racist leg of the GOP is wide, and runs deep.

In 2008 I was no fan of Obama, I hardly knew who he was. But after he got elected I thought, he might be a good change. It might be good to show the world how far we've come, and to have a different face in the WH. I was naive, I didn't realize how racist parts of this country are, just look at Trump's comments and how many Republicans are rallying around him. And you know they hate the black guy in the WH even more.

Like.

I think there is alot of truth in this post.
 
Trump is the GOP's id run amok.

How can they expect to win if Republicans can't hide what they're truly feeling and what they really want to do?

Like.
 
Yep. You are a typical conservative. I admit both sides are at fault, but you keep making excuses for the GOP. I prove the GOP has ignored the problem but you excuse them and put the blame on Clinton and the Dems. Unless Republicans like you take your blinders off the GOP will just keep fooling the GOP base.

Like.
 
Yeah, I can see him doing that too. And even so, with his running as a 3rd party candidate, he'll still influence the conversation and debates.

This would be a win for both Trump and the GOP, so I can see that as a possible development.

And split the conservative vote thereby (likely) ensuring a Democratic victory.
 
The figures presented by Pew are laughable at best. Considering the massive influx of illegal aliens across the border in the last two years, one would have to be willfully blind to the increase.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for this "massive influx" of illegals in the past two years.

I'm willing to acknowledge evidence, but I'm not going to take your word for it.
 
So the argument is illegal aliens are responding to invitations from employers? Can you provide a copy of said invitation? Let's try to stay a little bit reasonable and rational, or there really is no point in any exchange.

I am being reasonable and rational. They come here for work, which is why the numbers slowed to a net negative during the depths of the recession. If you don't solve the work problem, you won't solve the illegal immigration "problem" which seems obvious to me is a feature, not a bug, of our larger immigration/border approach.

Either party could have implemented very strict legal status verification requirements with steep penalties for employers who violate them, AND the personnel to enforce those laws. But none of either party have done that. I've since lost the article, but during the Bush admin someone figured out the total number of employers hit with violations for a two year period. The bottom line is it amounted to less than 3 total violations per employee per two years. I promise I could ride my bike to a dozen illegal, criminal employers by lunch - hotels, any landscape company, any lawn mowing company, most construction crews, the dairy farmers about 30 miles away, the tomato farmers in the next county, the few remaining tobacco farmers.....
 
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