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    Re: GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

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    And you and the most others in the GOP are being played by the Republican politicians and their business donors and their interests.

    The Dems absolutely deserve some of the blame, but it was Reagan who gave amnesty, and Bush 2 who wanted to give amnesty again. But hey the Republican politicians keep throwing the red meat to their base, and that keeps the GOP base pointing their fingers at Obama and the Dems only. All the while the GOP smiles, winks and nods to their business donors and buddies and let our workforce get flooded with cheap labor. Businesses love cheap labor.
    As to Reagan, the "fool me once" principle comes to mind. The illegals proved why they can't be trusted. Consider the country they are trying to escape.

    As to the red meat deflection. Why are you ignoring the active effort by Democrats to encourage illegal aliens to come here? What Republican in a position of power has used the power of their office to thwart the Federal Government from carrying out their sworn duty to uphold the laws that are on the books?

    This issue may be complicated, but there is no escaping the blame for the current out of control results caused by the President of the United States, and members of the Democratic Party who are, and were, in power.
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    Re: GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

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    As to Reagan, the "fool me once" principle comes to mind. The illegals proved why they can't be trusted. Consider the country they are trying to escape.

    As to the red meat deflection. Why are you ignoring the active effort by Democrats to encourage illegal aliens to come here? What Republican in a position of power has used the power of their office to thwart the Federal Government from carrying out their sworn duty to uphold the laws that are on the books?

    This issue may be complicated, but there is no escaping the blame for the current out of control results caused by the President of the United States, and members of the Democratic Party who are, and were, in power.
    I said it's partly the Dems fault too. You keep pointing at the Dems while ignoring that fact that when the GOP has the power they do nothing too. It's a game. Bush 2 also wanted to give amnesty so you're fool me once doesn't work either. I'm tired of saying it. The GOP loves businesses, and businesses love cheap labor. Add 2 and 2. But you guys keep thinking the GOP will do something about this.

    From 2004:

    Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns
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    The massive new immigration initiative unveiled by the White House has Democrats and ethnic identity organizations accusing Republicans of election-year pandering, and has the Republican base wondering whether George W. Bush and the Republican Party has sold them out.

    The initiative, which draws heavily on legislation already introduced in Congress by three Arizona Republicans, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Flake and Rep. Jim Kolbe, has two central components. It would provide a mechanism by which some U.S. businesses would be able to import an unlimited number of low-wage foreign workers, and it would allow most of the roughly 10 million illegal aliens already in the United States a means by which they (and their extended families) would be able to remain legally -- and permanently -- in the United States.

    Advocates of strong enforcement of U.S. immigration laws charge that the new Bush plan is really a massive new amnesty for illegal aliens, in spite of repeated Bush administration assurances to the contrary. The administration, and the Republican sponsors of the parallel McCain-Kolbe-Flake plan (search) on Capitol Hill, claim that their plans are not really amnesties because they require illegal aliens to pay a small fee and wait a short time before they can receive their legal permanent status.

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    Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns | Fox News

    10 years ago but pay attention to the language. Allow an unlimited amount of "LOW WAGE EARNERS". Republicans in Congress, Republican president saying one thing but pushing for amnesty.

    Does this stuff sound familiar????
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    Re: GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    I said it's partly the Dems fault too. You keep pointing at the Dems while ignoring that fact that when the GOP has the power they do nothing too. It's a game. Bush 2 also wanted to give amnesty so you're fool me once doesn't work either. I'm tired of saying it. The GOP loves businesses, and businesses love cheap labor. Add 2 and 2. But you guys keep thinking the GOP will do something about this.

    From 2004:

    Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns
    Published January 08, 2004 FoxNews.com
    Facebook6 Twitter0 Email Print
    The massive new immigration initiative unveiled by the White House has Democrats and ethnic identity organizations accusing Republicans of election-year pandering, and has the Republican base wondering whether George W. Bush and the Republican Party has sold them out.

    The initiative, which draws heavily on legislation already introduced in Congress by three Arizona Republicans, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Flake and Rep. Jim Kolbe, has two central components. It would provide a mechanism by which some U.S. businesses would be able to import an unlimited number of low-wage foreign workers, and it would allow most of the roughly 10 million illegal aliens already in the United States a means by which they (and their extended families) would be able to remain legally -- and permanently -- in the United States.

    Advocates of strong enforcement of U.S. immigration laws charge that the new Bush plan is really a massive new amnesty for illegal aliens, in spite of repeated Bush administration assurances to the contrary. The administration, and the Republican sponsors of the parallel McCain-Kolbe-Flake plan (search) on Capitol Hill, claim that their plans are not really amnesties because they require illegal aliens to pay a small fee and wait a short time before they can receive their legal permanent status.

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    Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns | Fox News

    10 years ago but pay attention to the language. Allow an unlimited amount of "LOW WAGE EARNERS". Republicans in Congress, Republican president saying one thing but pushing for amnesty.

    Does this stuff sound familiar????
    Well yes, it does. I rejected the pandering Bush was attempting at the time. Bill Clinton signed into law immigration reform. Obviously, that was not something the illegal alien lobby wanted.

    The fact is, the end game of the left is full amnesty, and further allowances to pander to the illegal alien lobby in return for votes. From my experience, Republicans are supportive of workable guest worker programs, and certainly legal immigration with reforms to shorten the long process. What registered Republicans don't want is the blanket approach Democrats are pushing for, nor the rewards for law breaking illegals have been granted.

    It is disingenuous to suggest Republicans were not interested in addressing the illegal issue when at the time.

    Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act into law September 30, 1996. This legislation was passed by a Republican majority in Congress, so it's absurd to suggest Republicans have done nothing about immigration. However, the left has ignored it's previsions, and pretends it doesn't exist and never happened, as you have, only pointing to Reagan in a "see, he did it" attempt to deflect from the truth.

    This young woman is dead in part because of policies the left have been pushing, and continue to push. Future blood is on their hands.
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    Re: GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well yes, it does. I rejected the pandering Bush was attempting at the time. Bill Clinton signed into law immigration reform. Obviously, that was not something the illegal alien lobby wanted.

    The fact is, the end game of the left is full amnesty, and further allowances to pander to the illegal alien lobby in return for votes. From my experience, Republicans are supportive of workable guest worker programs, and certainly legal immigration with reforms to shorten the long process. What registered Republicans don't want is the blanket approach Democrats are pushing for, nor the rewards for law breaking illegals have been granted.

    It is disingenuous to suggest Republicans were not interested in addressing the illegal issue when at the time.

    Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act into law September 30, 1996. This legislation was passed by a Republican majority in Congress, so it's absurd to suggest Republicans have done nothing about immigration. However, the left has ignored it's previsions, and pretends it doesn't exist and never happened, as you have, only pointing to Reagan in a "see, he did it" attempt to deflect from the truth.

    This young woman is dead in part because of policies the left have been pushing, and continue to push. Future blood is on their hands.
    Yep. You are a typical conservative. I admit both sides are at fault, but you keep making excuses for the GOP. I prove the GOP has ignored the problem but you excuse them and put the blame on Clinton and the Dems. Unless Republicans like you take your blinders off the GOP will just keep fooling the GOP base.
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    Re: GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Yep. You are a typical conservative. I admit both sides are at fault, but you keep making excuses for the GOP. I prove the GOP has ignored the problem but you excuse them and put the blame on Clinton and the Dems. Unless Republicans like you take your blinders off the GOP will just keep fooling the GOP base.
    LOL

    Please show me legislation Democrats have passed to address the issue. Why are you choosing to ignore the 1996 IIRIRA? Republicans continue to reject blanket amnesty, as illegals have proven they are liars, as evidenced by the experience when Reagan was in office.

    Deflect all you want, the facts are facts.
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    Re: GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

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    The DailyKos post of Media Matters post involved a conversation that occurred shortly after the killing, and before any facts were known. Geeze, can these Progressive Machine flugelhorns get any more laughable?

    As the tens of thousands of victims of illegal aliens can testify, Trump was 100% accurate in his statement. Why not come to Southern California and see for yourself. Perhaps your vantage point in the Northeast allows you to stay away from the truth.
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    Re: GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    That's a good point...Trump is the vindictive sort so if he was kept out of the race or felt mistreated I could see him running as a 3rd party
    Yeah, I can see him doing that too. And even so, with his running as a 3rd party candidate, he'll still influence the conversation and debates.

    This would be a win for both Trump and the GOP, so I can see that as a possible development.
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    Re: GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    And you and the most others in the GOP are being played by the Republican politicians and their business donors and their interests.

    The Dems absolutely deserve some of the blame, but it was Reagan who gave amnesty, and Bush 2 who wanted to give amnesty again. But hey the Republican politicians keep throwing the red meat to their base, and that keeps the GOP base pointing their fingers at Obama and the Dems only. All the while the GOP smiles, winks and nods to their business donors and buddies and let our workforce get flooded with cheap labor. Businesses love cheap labor.
    This recounting of history demonstrates the Republican out reach to illegal immigrants and trying to come to a better solution for them, does it not? I mean 2 Republican presidents gave / wanted to give amnesty to illegal immigrants.
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    Re: GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Yeah, I can see him doing that too. And even so, with his running as a 3rd party candidate, he'll still influence the conversation and debates.

    This would be a win for both Trump and the GOP, so I can see that as a possible development.
    He would also take votes away the Republican candidate though. It's the GOP base that would turn out to vote for him. I dunno if it's good for the GOP to split it's votes in a national election.
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    Re: GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    He would also take votes away the Republican candidate though. It's the GOP base that would turn out to vote for him. I dunno if it's good for the GOP to split it's votes in a national election.
    Yeah, I can see that, and no, splitting the vote that way wouldn't be.
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