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    re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by dpcal View Post
    “My aspiration for the country and I believe we can achieve it, is 4 percent growth as far as the eye can see. Which means we have to be a lot more productive, workforce participation has to rise from its all-time modern lows. It means that people need to work longer hours” and, through their productivity, gain more income for their families. That's the only way we're going to get out of this rut that we're in.”

    I can't see what the problem is. I don't claim to have any great economic insights, and there may be a another way to achieve a 4% growth rate, other than working more hours. But a sustained 4% growth rate over 5-6 years would dramatically increase government revenues and improve the finances of at least those putting in the longer hours. Clearly those people with larger paychecks will increase their demand and create additional employment opportunities for those currently without work. Yes I would prefer that the 4% growth rate could be achieved primarily by employing those currently seeking work, but I don't know how that would happen and I haven't heard of anything. Although DOA in either party, a good hard look at "free trade" might do wonders to increase employment and market driven wage increases. Before the long partisan knives get drawn, I fully recognize that a large portion of our society is working at jobs with wages so low that even after 40 hours, they may not have made it to poverty level, and don't have any benefits. But that's something else entirely.
    Seems like a pretty obvious statement to me. If you want more GDP you have to produce more. I cant really beleive that any of the posters in this thread complaing about already working 40+ hours seriously think that he was talking about them. The country has over 4 million job openings every month, and 40 million citizens not even looking for a job.

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    re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Of course, many part-time jobs are combined with other part-time jobs to support a family. Sometimes up to three or four. Which Jeb's brother said was uniquely American.
    Well, it's uniquely post-Obamacare, when the incentive for employers is to not allow workers to go beyond 29 hours a week.

    Saudi oil money can certainly give you a divorced perspective from the American experience.
    I wouldn't know - you'd have to ask the Clintons.
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    re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Today, Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush, who as of-late has gone relatively gaffe-free, uttered a phrase that may not go over too well with the constituency he wishes to reach.

    Read the article here: http://new.yahoo.com/jeb-bush-people...235206730.html

    Does anyone on this forum agree with Mr.Bush?

    I don't. I'm retired now but most of my life I worked 7-days on, 7-days off, 12 hours a day. That's an 84 hour week. How many more hours does this guy think that I should have worked?






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    I thought you claimed Jeb Bush would never make it to the White House?

    Only someone terrified that Jeb Bush will be the next President would post such blatant misrepresentations of what he said.

    To answer your question, I'm on this forum and I agree with Mr. Bush
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    re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Saudi oil money can certainly give you a divorced perspective from the American experience.
    You mean like the Clintons?

    Clinton's foundation got millions from Saudis, Gates - CNN.com
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    re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Today, Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush, who as of-late has gone relatively gaffe-free, uttered a phrase that may not go over too well with the constituency he wishes to reach.

    Read the article here: http://new.yahoo.com/jeb-bush-people...235206730.html

    Does anyone on this forum agree with Mr.Bush?

    I don't. I'm retired now but most of my life I worked 7-days on, 7-days off, 12 hours a day. That's an 84 hour week. How many more hours does this guy think that I should have worked?






    "Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
    Where did he make any implications that he was talking about you, people who already work long hours, or working more than double the normal work week? And you worked an average of 42 hour work weeks.
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    re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I thought you claimed Jeb Bush would never make it to the White House?

    Only someone terrified that Jeb Bush will be the next President would post such blatant misrepresentations of what he said.

    To answer your question, I'm on this forum and I agree with Mr. Bush


    So what?


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    re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    So what?

    Not much - just enjoying you getting your ass handed to you by the majority of posters in your hatchet job thread
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    re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not much -
    just enjoying you getting your ass handed to you by the majority of posters in your hatchet job thread


    When did that happen?

    I totally missed it.

    Maybe because it didn't happen.

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    re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I totally missed it.
    There's the understatement of the year.
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    re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by dpcal View Post
    “My aspiration for the country and I believe we can achieve it, is 4 percent growth as far as the eye can see. Which means we have to be a lot more productive, workforce participation has to rise from its all-time modern lows. It means that people need to work longer hours” and, through their productivity, gain more income for their families. That's the only way we're going to get out of this rut that we're in.”

    I can't see what the problem is. I don't claim to have any great economic insights, and there may be a another way to achieve a 4% growth rate, other than working more hours. But a sustained 4% growth rate over 5-6 years would dramatically increase government revenues and improve the finances of at least those putting in the longer hours. Clearly those people with larger paychecks will increase their demand and create additional employment opportunities for those currently without work. Yes I would prefer that the 4% growth rate could be achieved primarily by employing those currently seeking work, but I don't know how that would happen and I haven't heard of anything. Although DOA in either party, a good hard look at "free trade" might do wonders to increase employment and market driven wage increases. Before the long partisan knives get drawn, I fully recognize that a large portion of our society is working at jobs with wages so low that even after 40 hours, they may not have made it to poverty level, and don't have any benefits. But that's something else entirely.
    The central problem is that Jeb's comment belies a childish understanding of the economy.

    First it shows a complete disconnect from the realities of the modern w. The most productive people are already maxxed out. We may only be paid for 40hrs a week, but 60 is a better average and 80 isn't uncommon. We also don't take much vacation even though we're entitled to it, mostly because it's impossible to take more time off and finish what we need to do.

    Second, it shows a complete inability to do simple math. If your "plan" expects to generate 4% growth as far as the eye can see, would you not also have to put in longer and longer hours... also as far as the eye can see? Increasing the number of hours everyone works would presumably only get you a one time increase in productivity. Hours worked does not compound like interest.

    Third, it ignores history. When has any country ever brute forced itself into economic growth? Countries grow in productivity because either its workforce grows or its workforce becomes more efficient.

    Fourth, it completely misses the roadblocks for growth. Companies are sitting on some absurd number of trillions of dollars in unused capital. The reason they don't grow is the same reason that small businesses don't hire themselves into success. Produce as much as you like, but you only make money on the things you actually sell. The current limit to economic growth isn't a lack productivity, it's demand.

    Fifth, it's completely tone deaf. The problem with our country is that we don't work hard enough? Please. Live in the real world for a little Mr Bush and then let us know what you think.

    Seriously.... Jeb's comment is dumber than Romney's 47%. At least you understood where Romney was coming from.

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