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    Re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The central problem is that Jeb's comment belies a childish understanding of the economy.

    First it shows a complete disconnect from the realities of the modern w. The most productive people are already maxxed out. We may only be paid for 40hrs a week, but 60 is a better average and 80 isn't uncommon. We also don't take much vacation even though we're entitled to it, mostly because it's impossible to take more time off and finish what we need to do.

    Second, it shows a complete inability to do simple math. If your "plan" expects to generate 4% growth as far as the eye can see, would you not also have to put in longer and longer hours... also as far as the eye can see? Increasing the number of hours everyone works would presumably only get you a one time increase in productivity. Hours worked does not compound like interest.

    Third, it ignores history. When has any country ever brute forced itself into economic growth? Countries grow in productivity because either its workforce grows or its workforce becomes more efficient.

    Fourth, it completely misses the roadblocks for growth. Companies are sitting on some absurd number of trillions of dollars in unused capital. The reason they don't grow is the same reason that small businesses don't hire themselves into success. Produce as much as you like, but you only make money on the things you actually sell. The current limit to economic growth isn't a lack productivity, it's demand.

    Fifth, it's completely tone deaf. The problem with our country is that we don't work hard enough? Please. Live in the real world for a little Mr Bush and then let us know what you think.

    Seriously.... Jeb's comment is dumber than Romney's 47%. At least you understood where Romney was coming from.
    ^ i really liked this, it is a great explanation of why Jeb's comments are unbecoming of one we would elect to direct our country.

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    Re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And this from the party that relied on the Supreme Court to tell the nation what the Democrats meant when they said the ACA wasn't really a tax and the federal subsidies didn't apply only to state exchanges.
    What?

    I don't pay any ACA tax.

    The law obviously intended for federal subsidies to apply to states that refused to set up their own exchanges. Please read the SCOTUS decision before you use it as a talking point.

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    Re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    What?

    I don't pay any ACA tax.

    The law obviously intended for federal subsidies to apply to states that refused to set up their own exchanges. Please read the SCOTUS decision before you use it as a talking point.
    The Supreme Court, in its first ruling on the ACA, declared it was constitutional because the mandate was a tax. Chief Justice Roberts parked his integrity and twisted himself into a pretzel in order to make that ruling to save the ACA.

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    Re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The central problem is that Jeb's comment belies a childish understanding of the economy.

    First it shows a complete disconnect from the realities of the modern w. The most productive people are already maxxed out. We may only be paid for 40hrs a week, but 60 is a better average and 80 isn't uncommon. We also don't take much vacation even though we're entitled to it, mostly because it's impossible to take more time off and finish what we need to do.

    Second, it shows a complete inability to do simple math. If your "plan" expects to generate 4% growth as far as the eye can see, would you not also have to put in longer and longer hours... also as far as the eye can see? Increasing the number of hours everyone works would presumably only get you a one time increase in productivity. Hours worked does not compound like interest.

    Third, it ignores history. When has any country ever brute forced itself into economic growth? Countries grow in productivity because either its workforce grows or its workforce becomes more efficient.

    Fourth, it completely misses the roadblocks for growth. Companies are sitting on some absurd number of trillions of dollars in unused capital. The reason they don't grow is the same reason that small businesses don't hire themselves into success. Produce as much as you like, but you only make money on the things you actually sell. The current limit to economic growth isn't a lack productivity, it's demand.

    Fifth, it's completely tone deaf. The problem with our country is that we don't work hard enough? Please. Live in the real world for a little Mr Bush and then let us know what you think.

    Seriously.... Jeb's comment is dumber than Romney's 47%. At least you understood where Romney was coming from.
    I can't see where Jeb was targeting as you seem to believe, "the most productive people" in his statement. I do agree that a large portion of those who are the most productive are likely be working longer hours than most, and some or many, may feel maxed out, but that doesn't have anything to do with Jeb's remark. With the number of people that have dropped out of the labor and the number of people looking for more hours, there clearly are workers who are willing to provide the hours necessary for the 4% growth rate, if somebody could find something for them to do. Where I clearly agree with you, and further reinforced by the amount of cash sitting idle in corporate coffers, is the lack of demand for increased investment and increased hours from the workforce.

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    Re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Of course, many part-time jobs are combined with other part-time jobs to support a family. Sometimes up to three or four. Which Jeb's brother said was uniquely American.

    Saudi oil money can certainly give you a divorced perspective from the American experience.
    Saudi oil money?
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    Re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    She had an incredible speaking style that had the right amount of comedic pause and delivery.
    Plus she dated the Billdozer.....

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    Re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    She had an incredible speaking style that had the right amount of comedic pause and delivery.
    Plus she dated the Billdozer.....

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    Re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What? How exactly do I deny women equal pay by not mandating employers provide women equal pay? Is this like one of those tricks where if I give people the freedom to decide what they will pay people that somehow I'm forcing employers to not pay women equally?
    Ah, more of your Libertardian dream world rhetoric.

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    Re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by Marla View Post
    Ah, more of your Libertardian dream world rhetoric.
    Can you perhaps share how my position denies women equal pay?

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    Re: Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours [W: 64]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Can you perhaps share how my position denies women equal pay?
    Your position? Are you a employer, Henrin?

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