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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    at first I was with you on this issue. But it just seems like a bridge to far for the Democrats to try and take down that statue. The man wrote the Declaration of Independence of god's sake. You stab him in the chest then you have to question the entire country's founding.

    nah, even they wouldn't touch that fireball. they have gay marriage to keep them docile and happy for a while.
    I don't think "they" are even discussing it.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Doesn't change the fact that you're comparing something illegal now to some legal then.
    They knew it to be immoral, and there were those fighting against it at the time. And who decided it was "legal" to own people, and who even has such authority?
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    They knew it to be immoral, and there were those fighting against it at the time. And who decided it was "legal" to own people, and who even has such authority?
    You're running off on tangents buddy. You're also off topic.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Apparently so, since no one has demanded the President's memorial be removed. This is all fiction.
    Yes, just as I said in the OP. Maybe you should have read it.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yes, just as I said in the OP. Maybe you should have read it.
    Off topic much.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're running off on tangents buddy. You're also off topic.
    Guess you don't know.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    I was wondering how your views on Jefferson were formed?.
    By observing his actions instead of just taking him at his word.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I honestly don't know... but I've heard justifications of slavery back then.... much like how we treat children. Children are essentially slaves to their parents. Beating used to be a common thing for discipline, not just of slaves, but for children and criminals as well. I would think he would think it was cruel to unjustly beat a slave just because you felt like it.

    You have to literally have to think like you're in the 1700s
    Sure and in the 1700s, there were plenty of white people who thought that slavery was cruel. Jefferson himself called it cruel. There were certainly plenty of black people who thought it was cruel.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Guess you don't know.
    Does it really matter who decided? Do you even bother to spend even a second thinking about your questions?

    Nevertheless it was an issue that could not be overcome during the founding of the US, but eventually was as we all know. My guess is that Jefferson knew it was wrong from an intellectual perspective, but his debt, lifestyle and I think some people thought that the slaves couldn't survive on their own kept him from acting. It was definitely a crossroads, but he wasn't unusual for a southerner of the time. Nevertheless his ideals were the foundation upon which slaves were eventually freed. His influence on creating a self governing country cannot be overlooked. Should his memorial be torn down....hell no. Anyone who would go as far as tearing down those monuments is just radical.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Sure and in the 1700s, there were plenty of white people who thought that slavery was cruel. Jefferson himself called it cruel. There were certainly plenty of black people who thought it was cruel.
    There were even black slaveowners.
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