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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I find it ironic that so many people want to, wait for it... whitewash... our nation's history. Because, ya know, only the color white is fresh and pure.

    Removing an honorary memorial of a person that participated in a most horrid institution isn't whitewashing history. It will always be a known fact that many of the "founders" were slave owners, and that knowledge wouldn't disappear with the statue. Just like the confederate states use and support of the institution of slavery won't disappear when SC takes down the confederate war flag. Georgia took it down 14 years ago, the states history is still there, but the states a bit better for having done so. South Carolina will be taking it down under intense pressure and won't have the same credit.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well really it's because I probably couldn't afford one. I guess your saying that had you grown up in early 20th century Germany that you'd have been a Nazi soldier or running a concentration camp. Do you know that there were people morally opposed to slavery as it was being practiced?
    You assume you would be in the same financial situation...

    And yes, If I grown up in early 20th century Germany there would be a high-chance that I would be a Nazi....Idk running a concentration camp, I don't think many did that...I would be a completely different person though, it's a Nature vrs. Nurture thing... it all depends on how much of myself is my nature and how much of it is my nurture.

    But please, chill with the Nazi comparisons... the confederates were nowhere near the Nazi's... like I said before, if you think think they are, you are either ignorant or delusional or partisan or all...

    And yes I do, And I stated that... but do you deny that it was more morally ambiguous then than it is now? It took more bravery and more forward thinking to be anti-slavery then... Now it's the default... You can not claim to be a chosen anti-slavery person... you were born to be. You were raised in a enlightened and more educated society. It is societies credit not yours, just like it was societies problem then too... people didn't make the stride yet, but were on the verge to.

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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That might be a little extreme. I don't think that you lump slavery in with everyday offenses.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but the current problem with slavery is that it's offensive, right? I mean we don't have an actual problem with race based slavery in this country anymore, do we? It that's the case then the ONLY reason to ban the confederate flag is because it offends some people and if we're going to start banning stuff because it's offensive then it makes no sense whatsoever to continue as a Constitutional Republic because there really is no liberty left to preserve after that.

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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

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    Ashleigh Banfield is colossally stupid.


    Well, she is Canadian by birth.

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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Ashleigh Banfield is colossally stupid.
    Maybe, but she's kinda hot in a dorkish sort of way.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Maybe, but she's kinda hot in a dorkish sort of way.
    No, she's actually kind of annoying with her pseudo-intellectual glasses, weight issues and deplorable fashion sense.

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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    National hysteria #23b for the year. Can't wait for #24.

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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    I watched a video clip of it. Banfield did NOT say, or even suggest, that she believed the Jefferson Memorial should come down. She simply asked Don Lemon, who was on the show with her, if it was comparable to the Confederate flag, to which Lemon basically responded "no."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    I've seen both liberals and conservatives claim Jefferson for their own side. He seems to be a man for all reasons and everyone can find a little something in him to identify with...his legal mind, his contribution to the constitution, his love of science and exploration, his inventions, his love of architecture, his religion, his long love/hate relationship with Adams, his gentile life on the plantation, his love for Sally, his exploits in France, his decisions as president.... I think we should keep him.


    The thing I remember most about Ashley Banfield was when she was in NYC reporting for MSNBC during the immediate aftermath on 9/11 and I saw her bend down to scoop up some ashes to put it on her noticeably clean shoulders and behind her were firemen and people completely covered in ashes wandering around in a shell shocked haze. I can't stand her.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    You assume you would be in the same financial situation...

    And yes, If I grown up in early 20th century Germany there would be a high-chance that I would be a Nazi....Idk running a concentration camp, I don't think many did that...I would be a completely different person though, it's a Nature vrs. Nurture thing... it all depends on how much of myself is my nature and how much of it is my nurture.

    But please, chill with the Nazi comparisons... the confederates were nowhere near the Nazi's... like I said before, if you think think they are, you are either ignorant or delusional or partisan or all...

    And yes I do, And I stated that... but do you deny that it was more morally ambiguous then than it is now? It took more bravery and more forward thinking to be anti-slavery then... Now it's the default... You can not claim to be a chosen anti-slavery person... you were born to be. You were raised in a enlightened and more educated society. It is societies credit not yours, just like it was societies problem then too... people didn't make the stride yet, but were on the verge to.
    I didn't intend it as a comparison between confederates and Nazi's as a matter of degree. I suppose I could have said that if you'd have grown up in the America of the 18-19 centuries you may have been a participant in the Native American genocide. I don't however understand how you think people are not guilty or less guilty of their crimes because there's some excuse of it due to their nature and nurturing. If that's the case, nobody's guilty of anything.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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