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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yeah, it was clever.

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    The article also talks about Black slave owners who owned slaves for other, less benevolent, reasons.
    Oh No. Now they can't excuse slavery because black people owned slaves too.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Rentoc View Post
    What are we going to be judged on 200 to 300 years from now? The use of fossil fuels? Internal Combustion Engines? 40 hour work week? What normal, everyday action will be considered completely foul and totally rejected by our great great grandchildren? It is silly to weigh the actions of those who lived in the 1700 - 1800 against the mindsets of the 21st century.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your commentary is consistently trivializing it, and yes, pointing out that he needed slavery because of his lavish lifestyle and debt isn't making the grade!
    If you want to understand his reason maybe you should read up on it then. I'm just trying to be factual.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If you want to understand his reason maybe you should read up on it then. I'm just trying to be factual.
    Yes, the author of the DOI NEEDED slavery to service his opulent debt. Got it the first time.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Rentoc View Post
    What are we going to be judged on 200 to 300 years from now? The use of fossil fuels? Internal Combustion Engines? 40 hour work week? What normal, everyday action will be considered completely foul and totally rejected by our great great grandchildren? It is silly to weigh the actions of those who lived in the 1700 - 1800 against the mindsets of the 21st century.
    That's actually a really interesting question. I don't want to derail American's thread but hundreds of years from now we aren't going to be judged based on a few generations having slaves any more than any other society is. There are many stains on our history but there are also many positives, much more than the negatives. Slavery was part of our history, just like it was in Egypt a few thousand years ago. When people think of the Egyptians, does enslaving of Hebrews pop into your mind first?
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yeah, it was clever.

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    The article also talks about Black slave owners who owned slaves for other, less benevolent, reasons.
    Not intending to overlook the morality, but I think at that time much of it was a business decision. Slavery was considered okay by a great part of society even though the moral outrage of it had begun. I don't think the abolitionists were pure of heart either, some probably didn't like the benefit of free labor that the slaveowners enjoyed; basically an unfair business practice.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, the author of the DOI NEEDED slavery to service his opulent debt. Got it the first time.
    Oh good, glad you understand.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    My statements allow all those exceptions to happen... The fact is, slavery was much more morally ambiguous than it is today, GREATLY so.... and I don't think you have the right to act all high and mighty because you were not born in that time... you have it easy, it's easier for you to realize and make the moral choices.
    No it wasn't. There was little ambiguity about it at the time the Constitution was drafted. The framers didn't address it in the Constitution for political reasons not for any moral ambiguity. The southern states would never have signed on if slavery were abolished.
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    Re: Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Oh good, glad you understand.
    Yes, always did, thought it clear.
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