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Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

Again with the ignorance. <sigh>

You chose to use the term "returning immigrant" over a variety of other, more accurate terms like "illegal immigrant" purposefully. Your purpose in choosing "returning immigrant" is transparent and obvious.

When deception becomes necessary to advance the cause, it's time to start questioning the cause...

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Remember, it was a Socialist that created the term "Politically Correct".
 
I dunno, the more I read about this illegal immigrant, the more kinda feel sorry for him...and the young woman and her family of course. But would any of this of happened if someone didn't leave a federal agents gun wrapped up in a t-shirt near a park bench for some homeless person to find and not knowing it was a gun or that it was loaded, accidently fire it when picking it up? Because that's what it's starting to look like happened, imo.

Was marijuana the drug he was charged with?

Except the suspect claims the gun accidentally fired three times. I cry bull****. This guy has absolutely ZERO credibility.
 
Except the suspect claims the gun accidentally fired three times. I cry bull****. This guy has absolutely ZERO credibility.

It stinks like last weeks fish left in the sun.

He just happened to find it wrapped in a t-shirt, and decided to go and shoot some sea lions with it? And then it accidentially went off 3 times?

And of course he is a multiple felon, and admitted to having shot her.
 
Except the suspect claims the gun accidentally fired three times. I cry bull****. This guy has absolutely ZERO credibility.
But the father said he only heard one shot, the one that killed his daughter. She was standing right next to him. The illegal might have been far enough away that he may not have even known that he shot someone until the police found him about an hour later still near the pier with the gun. That may have been when he first learned that he shot someone, too.

So if the illegal deliberately and knowingly killed the woman, wouldn't he have ditched the gun and tried to run away as far as possible?
 
But the father said he only heard one shot, the one that killed his daughter. She was standing right next to him. The illegal might have been far enough away that he may not have even known that he shot someone until the police found him about an hour later still near the pier with the gun. That may have been when he first learned that he shot someone, too.

So if the illegal deliberately and knowingly killed the woman, wouldn't he have ditched the gun and tried to run away as far as possible?

it would be really nice if so many liberals would give honest American gun owners the same sort of benefit of the doubt that they give felonious assholes who have violated numerous laws
 
Again with the ignorance. <sigh>

You chose to use the term "returning immigrant" over a variety of other, more accurate terms like "illegal immigrant" purposefully. Your purpose in choosing "returning immigrant" is transparent and obvious.

When deception becomes necessary to advance the cause, it's time to start questioning the cause...

:lamo
I dont think you used the words I liked in that post. Therefore you're "ignorant".
So are we going to focus on the substance of the post or still the "You didnt say 'illegal' before immigrant"!!! :scared::scared::scared:
 
it would be really nice if so many liberals would give honest American gun owners the same sort of benefit of the doubt that they give felonious assholes who have violated numerous laws

Are you suggesting that the illegal should've taken gun safety lessons?
 
Are you suggesting that the illegal should've taken gun safety lessons?

What I am suggesting is that the same people who whine about honest American citizens owning guns tend to be the ones who bend over backwards to find excuses for scumbag criminals
 
What I am suggesting is that the same people who whine about honest American citizens owning guns tend to be the ones who bend over backwards to find excuses for scumbag criminals

I don't care what you're saying, I'm talking about the illegal immigrant right now.
 
Or you know, the responsibility could fall on the killer himself, or the Federal Agent that owned the gun. But lets ignore personal responsibility and play the fun game of politics!

Kinda like guns don't kill people, illegals kill people? I think this is a temporary opinion that will change and is only convenient for this situation. Obama shares in the fault. How the hell do you refuse to enforce immigration laws and then say the system is broken because of the laws? Obama certainly had a hand in this situation.
 
I thought you guys were all about "personal responsibility". What happened?

So all of a sudden YOU are about personal responsibility? Obama shares in the blame for not enforcing almost any of the immigration laws.
 
Wow!

What an amazing turn of events.

To paraphrase V.P. Biden, "This is a big deal!"

The following quote is from the linked article:

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"The undocumented immigrant who's accused in the killing earlier told CNN affiliate KGO-TV that he found the gun wrapped inside a T-shirt."

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Seven felonies, five deportations, purposely living in a Sanctuary City illegally, murder, a federal agent's firearm is the murder weapon - wow! This is going to be one helluva' investigation & indictment into all the governmental agencies, thier agents, and their policies regarding this matter.

No investigations but lots of noise and finger pointing.
 
Seriously though, it's not like this guy was ignored, he was deported many times for criminal behavior, it's not like he was being held sanctuary in SF...

while this is a tragic case, I fail to see the point people are making about immigration laws, unless you plan to hold every illegal immigrant indefinitely, all twelve million of them, what can you do? he was arrested and deported multiple times, the law was enforced against him to the letter.

"We" would work on a case for months, get good evidence, get a conviction or a plea bargain and they would deport them rather than put them in jail. It was disheartening. If there is enough evidence to charge them they should go to trial. If convicted they should serve the time rather than being deported.

The only reason there is 12 million of them is because our president and DOJ refuses to enforce the laws on the books.
 
i don't want my OP to sound like I'm glad this happened. it's a tragedy. and it always sickens me when the liberals turn a tragedy into political gain overnight. but my point is Trump and his comments have turned this entire issue into a grenade field for any politician to comment on. So this event encapsulates and motivates an ACTUAL DISCUSSION of the issue. that is why I think it might be an important case. It will help us solve the problem that many(up to now) were to politically scared to speak on.

Actually it does the opposite. The situation forces politicians to either tuck and run or take a stand. Think about exactly what Trump said.
 
I thought you guys were all about "personal responsibility". What happened?

I want to know who was responsible for deporting him rather than putting his sorry ass in jail. So many people screwed the pooch here.
 
So again. What happened to personal responsibility? You're still blaming society...

And you're still blaming a flag for the murder of 9 black people.

How do you think people who should not be owning firearms are able to own firearms. Because the system for keeping firearms out of unlawful hands is terrible. I say this, and I will keep saying it. The only way to get a handle on the proliferation of firearms in this country is a registration and accountability system.

Umm...did you forget already that this gun IS registered to a federal agent? Through a mandatory registration rule/law? And that they do have an accountability system on them?

Sure didn't work to protect these deaths now did it.
 
First question that comes to mind is, who the hell leaves a gun in their car? Especially a law enforcement and a hand gun.

Actually its done all the time. Law enforcement officers pretty much always have back up pieces in their cars, reasonable considering the line of work they are in. Civilians will leave guns in cars when they have to go into a gun free zone, so blame the laws for that one.
 
wrong again. I am not responsible for what someone who buys a gun from someone I sold it to. your argument essentially demands a complete ban on firearms-which of course, we have seen you advocate before.

Not a ban, just a registration and accountability process.
 
Kinda like guns don't kill people, illegals kill people? I think this is a temporary opinion that will change and is only convenient for this situation. Obama shares in the fault. How the hell do you refuse to enforce immigration laws and then say the system is broken because of the laws? Obama certainly had a hand in this situation.

It wasn't until recently had Obama made drastic changes to how he handled immigration. It's a statistic fact that under Obama has deported immigrants by millions. Feel however you like about how the President handled reform but a change in the policy is needed. because "kickin' 'dem illegals out" hasn't been working.
 
:lamo
I dont think you used the words I liked in that post. Therefore you're "ignorant".
So are we going to focus on the substance of the post or still the "You didnt say 'illegal' before immigrant"!!! :scared::scared::scared:
The wording you chose to use to describe the person IS the substance.
 
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