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Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

San Francisco Chronicle has lots more on the affair.

Here's one telling us why the perp was on the street.
S.F. drug warrant helped accused killer stay in U.S.

A 20-year-old warrant over an alleged $20 marijuana deal in San Francisco turned into a ticket to freedom for Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, the man charged Monday with murder in the shooting of a stranger who was walking on a waterfront pier.
Whether he should have gotten that ticket continued to fuel debate Monday in the aftermath of Wednesday’s slaying of Kathryn Steinle on Pier 14 along the Embarcadero.
Lopez-Sanchez, whose age is listed as 45 by police and 52 in jail records, is a convicted felon with a long history of drug crimes who has spent about half his adult life serving time for illegally entering the country and has been deported five times to Mexico, according to records reviewed by The Chronicle.

Why the man was released from detention when ICE had asked to take custody from San Francisco officials is THE question. Feinstein scalds S.F. for freeing man accused in pier killing

After all, we all know that the Marxist Kenyan has totally destroyed the Border Patrol during his time in office, ensuring the border with Mexico is like a freeway of degenerate "rapists" flowing into the country - so this killing must be his and the "Democrap" Party's responsibility.

Naturally, there are some who prefer to accuse their opponents of being the true cause behind the death of a woman for no other reason than politics. S.F. killing sparks national outrage, likely political fallout
 
Guns are not safe for anyone, that is generally the point of a gun, is to be unsafe and kill people, weather its for defense, or otherwise. A gun is an inanimate object, and does not care who's hands its in, or what its pointed at. As humans, it goes without saying that even the most professional and proficient people make mistakes. When you are around guns all the time, one can become complacent about the danger a gun brings into any situation. People who are the most proficient and professional are arguable the most at risk of making ignorant mistakes. This can be explained easily. Take a gun and hand it to someone who has never fired on, or been around one before, educate them on the dangers and how to use it, and the first time they are handed one to fire, they are so afraid that they follow all the rules to the T.

Certainly, the person in the situation you describe sounds like the complacent professional I mentioned above, and should be punished for it. The problem with gun culture in America, is that we have become so desensitized to them that all of us are in danger of becoming that complacent professional that shoots himself, or someone else.

So do you think, coming from another country other than ours where guns are everywhere, he had to find instructions on how to operate it? It would be intuitive for an American since it rains guns here, but for a Mexican national? It had to be a very confusing time for this man having come from such a peaceful place.
 
Well, it's pretty hard to tell with you, since you rarely present an argument that isn't a strawman.

Well, it's pretty hard to tell with you, since you rarely present an argument.
 
n an interview Sunday with KGO, Lopez-Sanchez confessed to the shooting but said it was an accident. He said that he found the gun, wrapped in a T-shirt, under a bench and that it went off three times when he picked it up.

He said he then kicked the gun into San Francisco Bay and walked off, not knowing he had shot someone until police arrested him an hour later on a nearby street corner. He reportedly first told police he had been shooting at sea lions.

So which was it? Was he shooting at sea lions or did the weapon "accidentally" discharge three times? And BTW, how does that happen?

I want to know how the federal agent's personal firearm was stolen out of a car and how it got into this guy's possession. I also want to know what agency he worked for.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/07/07/man-charged--san-franciso-waterfront-shooting---arraigned/29811735/
 
Or you know, the responsibility could fall on the killer himself, or the Federal Agent that owned the gun. But lets ignore personal responsibility and play the fun game of politics!

Did the Fed give him the gun?
 
I don't doubt there are. Which is why a prefaced my point with the word rarely, and not never. Even if there were a registration process in place, there would still be unaccounted for firearms that make it into the wrong hands. But, the proliferation of arms would slow significantly, and it would also give those who are responsible firearm owners peace of mind and the ability to say that they are not part of the problem. As we sit today, millions of firearms are purchased legally, and sold 2nd hand to people who are not legally allowed to be sold a weapon. And even those that are legally sold, are hard to trace after they have ben sold to 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand owners which makes it nearly impossible to solve crimes involving firearms and hold people accountable for their unlawful use.

we are not part of the problem and trying to lay a guilt trip on us if we don't support incremental steps gun banners want is silly.
 
What "liberal" have you seen blame either for this murder?

none at this point since I don't know all the facts as to who is responsible and I have no idea what the politics of the killer is
 
So where is the call to ban the Mexican flag?
 
I really don't see the importance of whether it was the Fed's personal or service gun: in either case, he and every non-felon US citizen, has a right to bear arms thus he was in no way wrong for being robbed. Don't blame the victim. Furthermore, the lunacy of gun registration, waiting periods, or "assault weapon" bans would not have prevented this tragedy. The only thing that might have is to actually enforce immigration law, and part of that is diligently deporting anyone in the country illegally every time they are in the country illegally. The accused had been in the US since 2009, it's not like he just popped over the border. I think we can agree that the only way one could be sure that the accused didn't kill the victim is if he wasn't in the same country at all.

That's the real issue, that's the crux of the matter: every single person in the country illegally is, by definition, a criminal since they have broken immigration law. They may, or may not, be good people otherwise, but given the willingness to break this federal law, it is hardly a stretch to posit that they as a group would statistically be more inclined to break others. The present case is someone at the end of the bell curve, but given my first point and crime statistics, not as far as a random sample of US citizens.
 
Or you know, the responsibility could fall on the killer himself, or the Federal Agent that owned the gun. But lets ignore personal responsibility and play the fun game of politics!

Seriously. The only entertaining thing about this story is watching the sudden rush some of those on the right to blame policies and other things for a murder instead of the focus being on the killer, and some of those on the left to continually downplay those and suggest a focus on the killer. It's like Bizarro-Mass Shooting-world.
 
FWIW -

Fox has a bit more detail as to the gun's history, and the defendant's narrative of the homicide:

Foxnews.com - 'Gun allegedly used by San Francisco shooting suspect belonged to federal agent, source says'

Thanks for that link. The story seems strange to me--he heard the gun fire 3 times? Found it wrapped in a T shirt?

Call me a cynical and suspicious bastard, but I can't help but wonder if somehow this is related to something like Fast & Furious? He wanted to shoot sea lions?
 
Seriously. The only entertaining thing about this story is watching the sudden rush some of those on the right to blame policies and other things for a murder instead of the focus being on the killer, and some of those on the left to continually downplay those and suggest a focus on the killer. It's like Bizarro-Mass Shooting-world.

Those on the right have never cared about illegal immigration except as a talking point. That's why they revere Ronald Reagan: the only president to give blanket amnesty to illegal immigrants.
 
Seriously. The only entertaining thing about this story is watching the sudden rush some of those on the right to blame policies and other things for a murder instead of the focus being on the killer, and some of those on the left to continually downplay those and suggest a focus on the killer. It's like Bizarro-Mass Shooting-world.

I find it less entertaining than banning a flag over a crazy white kid. But yes, Barry and buddies own this one. They are responsible for existing immigration law not being enforced.
 
Or you know, the responsibility could fall on the killer himself, or the Federal Agent that owned the gun. But lets ignore personal responsibility and play the fun game of politics!

This post is repeated because of my gob-smacked utter disbelief that it was posted by a liberal.

Well done.
 
Those on the right have never cared about illegal immigration except as a talking point. That's why they revere Ronald Reagan: the only president to give blanket amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Well, as a conservative I look at the Reagan program as a lesson learned. It didn't work, it accelerated illegal immigration. Democrats either don't learn from history or want to accelerate illegal immigration.
 
I thought you guys were all about "personal responsibility". What happened?

And I thought liberals were all about blaming "gun violence" on, well, guns. I mean, instead blaming other liberals. What happened? :confused:
 
Democratic immigration policy is as responsible for this cold blooded murder as the murderer himself.

It wasn't your gun was it? :lamo
 
Im a problem solver. Im not the type to bitch and complain about how mean and racist things are. I do things that work, I do things that make sense.

I dont find much sense in having a country that doesnt have a border that matters. But that is just me and Trump, I guess. :roll:

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
Thanks for that link. The story seems strange to me--he heard the gun fire 3 times? Found it wrapped in a T shirt?

Call me a cynical and suspicious bastard, but I can't help but wonder if somehow this is related to something like Fast & Furious? He wanted to shoot sea lions?
My theory is a bit more pragmatic - either he or an associate broke into the agent's car stealing the gun, and then the incident involving the actual shooting was a run-of-the mill crime of passion or opportunity.

But, who knows?
 
Wow!

What an amazing turn of events.

To paraphrase V.P. Biden, "This is a big deal!"

The following quote is from the linked article:

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"The undocumented immigrant who's accused in the killing earlier told CNN affiliate KGO-TV that he found the gun wrapped inside a T-shirt."

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Seven felonies, five deportations, purposely living in a Sanctuary City illegally, murder, a federal agent's firearm is the murder weapon - wow! This is going to be one helluva' investigation & indictment into all the governmental agencies, thier agents, and their policies regarding this matter.

I thought Biden said "this is a big effin deal"
 
How do you think people who should not be owning firearms are able to own firearms. Because the system for keeping firearms out of unlawful hands is terrible. I say this, and I will keep saying it. The only way to get a handle on the proliferation of firearms in this country is a registration and accountability system.

How would that have helped this case considering where the gun came from?
 
And I thought liberals were all about blaming "gun violence" on, well, guns. I mean, instead blaming other liberals. What happened? :confused:

1.) I'm not a liberal
2.) Just pointing out the hypocrisy
 
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