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Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

Μολὼν λαβέ;1064799166 said:
What about the murder victim's "basic human rights?"

since society is responsible for a mope being a mope, the victims of said scumbags are just paying for society's failure to treat the mope properly
 
well he should be tried and convicted before being executed and returned to mexico, that's in keeping with basic constitutional rights, human rights don't exist, you have exactly zero rights on the basis of being a human, you only have rights by living in a society that chooses to recognize you have them btw.

Damn! Human rights dont exist. Man! Someone should tell human rights lawyers!

But anyways, negative and positive rights are not mutually exclusive and have and do exist together in society.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064799186 said:
He went into a sanctuary city. He didn't have to be responsible for breaking US law. The city of San Francisco saw to that.

So again. What happened to personal responsibility? You're still blaming society...
 
Damn! Human rights dont exist. Man! Someone should tell human rights lawyers!

But anyways, negative and positive rights are not mutually exclusive and have and do exist together in society.

as a reality they do not, they are an invented concept.

one should go ask those in IS controlled Iraq how their human rights are working out this week. rights need to be enforceable or else they don't exist.
 
San Francisco killing: Gun belonged to federal agent - CNN.com






this is turning into a True Detective episode. and it will gain momentum and become a BIG part of the upcoming election. It could really give the GOP candidates traction, no doubt.

How do you think people who should not be owning firearms are able to own firearms. Because the system for keeping firearms out of unlawful hands is terrible. I say this, and I will keep saying it. The only way to get a handle on the proliferation of firearms in this country is a registration and accountability system.
 
FWIW -

Fox has a bit more detail as to the gun's history, and the defendant's narrative of the homicide:

Foxnews.com - 'Gun allegedly used by San Francisco shooting suspect belonged to federal agent, source says'

man what a lying crock of BS this sack of feces is..

Sanchez had previously told KGO-TV Sunday in a mix of Spanish and English that he found a gun wrapped inside a shirt while he was sitting on a bench at the pier and smoking a cigarette.
BS
"So I picked it up and ... it started to fire on its own," Sanchez said, adding that he heard three shots go off.

no it didn't modern guns cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled


A source familiar with the investigation told the San Francisco Chronicle that Sanchez said he was at the popular pier to shoot at sea lions, and discarded the firearm after realizing he had shot Steinle.
I'm pretty sure hunting sea lions is illegal in California
 
Ummmm I did blame the killer. I also blamed the policies (which Democrats support. If you forgot, those are the people you vote for while you pretend Republicans are racist and mean and hate babies or something) that enable him to continue to come back into this country and commit heinous crimes.

The man was deported five times, I don't quite know how "liberal policies" could have allowed or prevented his actions. Illegal immigrants have committed crimes before in Conservative areas with strict laws against immigration and it'll probably happen again. It's an absolute tragedy but I don't think using it to try and stir things up in Capitol Hill makes much sense.
 
How do you think people who should not be owning firearms are able to own firearms. Because the system for keeping firearms out of unlawful hands is terrible. I say this, and I will keep saying it. The only way to get a handle on the proliferation of firearms in this country is a registration and accountability system.

like the Fed Gov has for their agents guns that worked SOOOO WELLL here right? :doh
 
So again. What happened to personal responsibility? You're still blaming society...

So the federal agent should be held accountable, and of course all federal agents should have their guns confiscated. They are obviously too irresponsible to have guns. ;)
 
as a reality they do not, they are an invented concept.
Of course they do.

one should go ask those in IS controlled Iraq how their human rights are working out this week. rights need to be enforceable or else they don't exist.

:lol:
So its okay for us to execute this man without a trial? Because natural rights say so? And something about human rights and IS?
 
So the federal agent should be held accountable,
Depends on how this man got a hold of this gun. Should definitely be an investigation.

and of course all federal agents should have their guns confiscated. They are obviously too irresponsible to have guns. ;)
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Of course they do.



:lol:
So its okay for us to execute this man without a trial? Because natural rights say so? And something about human rights and IS?

no one said execute him without trial.
 
We are. Maybe Democrats should admit their policies suck....I mean holy ****....this mother****er is in the country AGAIN due to a sieve border and a refusal to deport and prosecute....things Obama is calling "discretion" on his part (its not really discretion, it is de-facto legislation, illegal and Unconstitutional by the way, not that Obama has ever respected the Constitution, it was written by white men after all). Josh "not so" Earnest is blaming Republicans! What in the hell did Republicans to do enable this? They want to lock the border down and keep maggots like this murderer OUT of the United States. So what exactly are you ****ing talking about, socialist?

Man. Politics in your world must be soooo simple.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064799166 said:
What about the murder victim's "basic human rights?"

They were violated. He should stand for trial and if found guilty be convicted.
 
since society is responsible for a mope being a mope, the victims of said scumbags are just paying for society's failure to treat the mope properly

Sanchez had previously told KGO-TV Sunday in a mix of Spanish and English that he found a gun wrapped inside a shirt while he was sitting on a bench at the pier and smoking a cigarette.

"So I picked it up and ... it started to fire on its own," Sanchez said, adding that he heard three shots go off.

A source familiar with the investigation told the San Francisco Chronicle that Sanchez said he was at the popular pier to shoot at sea lions, and discarded the firearm after realizing he had shot Steinle.

If he did find the gun in a shirt it looks like it was a throw down gun to me. But if that's the case, how did they find out the gun belongs to an officer. The next question is, what officer?

There's no way you can pick up a gun and have it fire a three round burst, unless its a select fire weapon. Even then, it does not fire without someone pulling the trigger, and in this case most likely it was three times.

So the shooter's story doesn't seem realistic.
 
no one said execute him without trial.

Do you support him going through the proper justice procedures? Or do you think that since he was already found entering the country illegally, and that human rights supposedly dont exist in your opinion do you support him going through the proper justice procedures set up in this country?
 
The man was deported five times, I don't quite know how "liberal policies" could have allowed or prevented his actions. Illegal immigrants have committed crimes before in Conservative areas with strict laws against immigration and it'll probably happen again. It's an absolute tragedy but I don't think using it to try and stir things up in Capitol Hill makes much sense.

Liberal policies allow sanctuary cities to exist...hence why this guy wasnt handed over to ICE by the local PD. This dude knew that if he went to San Fran, nothing was going to happen to him, he was staying in the US to leech off us, commit multiple felonies, murder pretty young women, etc.
 
Man. Politics in your world must be soooo simple.

Im a problem solver. Im not the type to bitch and complain about how mean and racist things are. I do things that work, I do things that make sense.

I dont find much sense in having a country that doesnt have a border that matters. But that is just me and Trump, I guess. :roll:
 
Do you support him going through the proper justice procedures? Or do you think that since he was already found entering the country illegally, and that human rights supposedly dont exist in your opinion do you support him going through the proper justice procedures set up in this country?


He should go through the regular procedures in this country for conviction and execution, if the prosecutor chooses to seek the DP.

I am only making the point about human rights because that's the type of language people use when they want to insist America has inadequate constitutional protections
 
like the Fed Gov has for their agents guns that worked SOOOO WELLL here right? :doh

Was it his personal firearm, or a firearm used for duty. I know for the police and the military, they generally have very strict accountability procedures for firearms used on the job. That's why you rarely hear of a firearm being used to commit a crime being traced back as a police officers firearm (not personal firearm). And you rarely ever hear of a firearm from a military base being found to have been used in a crime outside the base.
 
He should go through the regular procedures in this country for conviction and execution, if the prosecutor chooses to seek the DP.

I am only making the point about human rights because that's the type of language people use when they want to insist America has inadequate constitutional protections

Im sorry but positive and negative rights coexist for sometime, and there is open debate to if human rights are a continuation of natural rights.
 
Was it his personal firearm, or a firearm used for duty. I know for the police and the military, they generally have very strict accountability procedures for firearms used on the job. That's why you rarely hear of a firearm being used to commit a crime being traced back as a police officers firearm (not personal firearm). And you rarely ever hear of a firearm from a military base being found to have been used in a crime outside the base.

actually that is not true and the federal government loses thousands of fully automatic rifles and heavier weapons each year. Police evidence rooms are often the source of guns used by gang bangers as well. most of the heavy stuff ends up overseas though since stuff like automatic rifles, machine guns etc have very little value to most civilian-environment criminals
 
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