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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Or you know, the responsibility could fall on the killer himself, or the Federal Agent that owned the gun. But lets ignore personal responsibility and play the fun game of politics!
    Did the Fed give him the gun?
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

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    I don't doubt there are. Which is why a prefaced my point with the word rarely, and not never. Even if there were a registration process in place, there would still be unaccounted for firearms that make it into the wrong hands. But, the proliferation of arms would slow significantly, and it would also give those who are responsible firearm owners peace of mind and the ability to say that they are not part of the problem. As we sit today, millions of firearms are purchased legally, and sold 2nd hand to people who are not legally allowed to be sold a weapon. And even those that are legally sold, are hard to trace after they have ben sold to 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand owners which makes it nearly impossible to solve crimes involving firearms and hold people accountable for their unlawful use.
    we are not part of the problem and trying to lay a guilt trip on us if we don't support incremental steps gun banners want is silly.
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What "liberal" have you seen blame either for this murder?
    none at this point since I don't know all the facts as to who is responsible and I have no idea what the politics of the killer is
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    So where is the call to ban the Mexican flag?

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    I really don't see the importance of whether it was the Fed's personal or service gun: in either case, he and every non-felon US citizen, has a right to bear arms thus he was in no way wrong for being robbed. Don't blame the victim. Furthermore, the lunacy of gun registration, waiting periods, or "assault weapon" bans would not have prevented this tragedy. The only thing that might have is to actually enforce immigration law, and part of that is diligently deporting anyone in the country illegally every time they are in the country illegally. The accused had been in the US since 2009, it's not like he just popped over the border. I think we can agree that the only way one could be sure that the accused didn't kill the victim is if he wasn't in the same country at all.

    That's the real issue, that's the crux of the matter: every single person in the country illegally is, by definition, a criminal since they have broken immigration law. They may, or may not, be good people otherwise, but given the willingness to break this federal law, it is hardly a stretch to posit that they as a group would statistically be more inclined to break others. The present case is someone at the end of the bell curve, but given my first point and crime statistics, not as far as a random sample of US citizens.

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Or you know, the responsibility could fall on the killer himself, or the Federal Agent that owned the gun. But lets ignore personal responsibility and play the fun game of politics!
    Seriously. The only entertaining thing about this story is watching the sudden rush some of those on the right to blame policies and other things for a murder instead of the focus being on the killer, and some of those on the left to continually downplay those and suggest a focus on the killer. It's like Bizarro-Mass Shooting-world.

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    FWIW -

    Fox has a bit more detail as to the gun's history, and the defendant's narrative of the homicide:

    Foxnews.com - 'Gun allegedly used by San Francisco shooting suspect belonged to federal agent, source says'
    Thanks for that link. The story seems strange to me--he heard the gun fire 3 times? Found it wrapped in a T shirt?

    Call me a cynical and suspicious bastard, but I can't help but wonder if somehow this is related to something like Fast & Furious? He wanted to shoot sea lions?

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Seriously. The only entertaining thing about this story is watching the sudden rush some of those on the right to blame policies and other things for a murder instead of the focus being on the killer, and some of those on the left to continually downplay those and suggest a focus on the killer. It's like Bizarro-Mass Shooting-world.
    Those on the right have never cared about illegal immigration except as a talking point. That's why they revere Ronald Reagan: the only president to give blanket amnesty to illegal immigrants.
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    Blacks aren't committing more crime. That's the point. They use drugs at similar rates yet they get harsher sentences and more convictions.
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    I disagree. Just because their drug usage may be no different does not mean their propensity to commit crime is the same or equal.

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Seriously. The only entertaining thing about this story is watching the sudden rush some of those on the right to blame policies and other things for a murder instead of the focus being on the killer, and some of those on the left to continually downplay those and suggest a focus on the killer. It's like Bizarro-Mass Shooting-world.
    I find it less entertaining than banning a flag over a crazy white kid. But yes, Barry and buddies own this one. They are responsible for existing immigration law not being enforced.

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Or you know, the responsibility could fall on the killer himself, or the Federal Agent that owned the gun. But lets ignore personal responsibility and play the fun game of politics!
    This post is repeated because of my gob-smacked utter disbelief that it was posted by a liberal.

    Well done.
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