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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

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    No, you just got outplayed there buddy.

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

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    No, you just got outplayed there buddy.
    no he didn't.
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

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    No, you just got outplayed there buddy.
    I'm not playing and I don't think so.
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

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    see, its so tough to get a gun restrictionist to tell us what laws he wants to solve the problems he whine about
    Like I said, you've seen them all. And you just dismiss them. Stop pretending you'd give honest consideration to any proposal. You just hate liberals that much, you'd never listen. You already said it. You think there's no gun restriction that makes anything better.

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Like I said, you've seen them all. And you just dismiss them. Stop pretending you'd give honest consideration to any proposal. You just hate liberals that much, you'd never listen. You already said it. You think there's no gun restriction that makes anything better.
    There is no gun restriction that makes anything better since they all violate a fundamental human right to bear arms.

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

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    Like I said, you've seen them all. And you just dismiss them. Stop pretending you'd give honest consideration to any proposal. You just hate liberals that much, you'd never listen. You already said it. You think there's no gun restriction that makes anything better.
    we haven't seen any proposal that makes any sense from a crime control perspective.
    I have already said that increased sentences on those who use guns in violent crime make sense since they actually target criminals and not honest people. You all mainly want laws that don't even apply to criminals
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

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    we haven't seen any proposal that makes any sense from a crime control perspective.
    I have already said that increased sentences on those who use guns in violent crime make sense since they actually target criminals and not honest people. You all mainly want laws that don't even apply to criminals
    If I were dictator, I'd actually focus on investing in persona-lock technology. Make it so a gun can only be fired by the correct owner. At that point, registration efforts make a real difference: now you know who fired a gun. For a while, you've still got the issue of "unlocked" weapons still being everywhere. But when those are no longer being manufactured, that problem has a limited lifespan.

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If I were dictator, I'd actually focus on investing in persona-lock technology. Make it so a gun can only be fired by the correct owner. At that point, registration efforts make a real difference: now you know who fired a gun. For a while, you've still got the issue of "unlocked" weapons still being everywhere. But when those are no longer being manufactured, that problem has a limited lifespan.
    there is no evidence that registration has done any good. Hawaii has gun registration and there is no evidence it has been used to lower crime. registration cannot even be enforced against criminals due to the fifth amendment.

    registration doesn't tell you who fired the gun-that is one of the most moronic things I have heard. this is why I lampoon the arguments of gun banners and gun restrictionists. they make idiotic arguments that are so stupid that their entire premise fails.
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    car registration is a revenue device applied to items not constitutionally protected. every time there has been gun bans, registration has been used to accomplish it

    you support registration-you support gun bans and you claim that registration is not a tool to accomplish that

    btw where have you ever seen a politician arguing for car bans?
    Exactly, so it is more likely that the government could take away your car, then take away your gun. So you're really only strengthening my argument that people who think registration will lead to banishment are nothing more then alarmists. And no, What registration will allow authorities to do, is hold people accountable for the weapons in their control. It gives them a tool to set up a process the demands people legally sell their firearms to someone who can legally own one. Firearms just don't appear out of thin air, the vast majority are purchased legally and gun stores and then get sold to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and so on owners where there is no process to ensure the legality of those sales. We just trust that people are selling their firearms to fellow legal owners. I don't know any other industry that has this type of freedom. There are some places where you have to jump thru hoops just to get extra strength advil, yet anyone can easily purchase a gun on any street corner in this country without ever having to prove they can legally own one. You could sell a child a gun, and they only way they will ever be caught, is if that child shoots himself, or someone else with it. And that is only if the person who was shot, or some witnesses can identify the boy. Because there is no accountability for that weapon. The person who sold it has no responsibility to be accountable for it because the gun is not registered to them, and it cant be traced to the boy because its not registered to him. So you end up with crimes where people get shot, and even if you have the firearm, if there are no witnesses who want to come foreward, you will never be able to investigate the crime at all.
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    registration doesn't tell you who fired the gun-that is one of the most moronic things I have heard. this is why I lampoon the arguments of gun banners and gun restrictionists. they make idiotic arguments that are so stupid that their entire premise fails.
    ...do you just read each sentence in a vacuum or some ****?

    When you did that, the words "at that point" didn't suggest to you that other sentences might be important?
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