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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    If America would get rid of law enforcement officers like building a wall or something this murder never would have happened.

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Again with the ignorance. <sigh>

    You chose to use the term "returning immigrant" over a variety of other, more accurate terms like "illegal immigrant" purposefully. Your purpose in choosing "returning immigrant" is transparent and obvious.

    When deception becomes necessary to advance the cause, it's time to start questioning the cause...
    That's why the term "illegal alien" is better; if removes the faux equivalence between those who go through the difficult legal channels and those who just take what they want. It's the difference between a guest and an intruder.

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    It wasn't until recently had Obama made drastic changes to how he handled immigration. It's a statistic fact that under Obama has deported immigrants by millions. Feel however you like about how the President handled reform but a change in the policy is needed. because "kickin' 'dem illegals out" hasn't been working.
    This administration has done everything it can to frustrate the immigration laws to enable more illegals to enter and stay in this country and we just can't afford it. No other country in the world advocates this much relaxation in their laws or enforcement. This administration will push it past the limit to obfuscate the immigration laws and enforcement. "Univision Town Hall, March 28, 2011: ‘The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws."

    Obama’s royal flip-flop on using executive action on illegal immigration - The Washington Post

    That is why Jeh Johnson is getting slapped by a federal judge around for over stepping his constitutional authority at the behest of the administration.

    Jeh Johnson, Homeland Security chief, others ordered to court by judge - Washington Times

    So I just don't buy the argument that Obama is hot on any type of action when it comes to solving the immigration problem.
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    This administration has done everything it can to frustrate the immigration laws to enable more illegals to enter and stay in this country and we just can't afford it. No other country in the world advocates this much relaxation in their laws or enforcement. This administration will push it past the limit to obfuscate the immigration laws and enforcement. "Univision Town Hall, March 28, 2011: ‘The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws."

    Obama’s royal flip-flop on using executive action on illegal immigration - The Washington Post

    That is why Jeh Johnson is getting slapped by a federal judge around for over stepping his constitutional authority at the behest of the administration.

    Jeh Johnson, Homeland Security chief, others ordered to court by judge - Washington Times

    So I just don't buy the argument that Obama is hot on any type of action when it comes to solving the immigration problem.

    I'm not arguing that Obama unilaterally used Executive action to reform immigration laws. What I am arguing is that prior to this, under Obama illegal immigrants were being deported at a far faster rate than under Bush or Clinton. Obviously the old laws were not working, why enforce legislation and laws that don't solve the problem?
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    I'm not arguing that Obama unilaterally used Executive action to reform immigration laws. What I am arguing is that prior to this, under Obama illegal immigrants were being deported at a far faster rate than under Bush or Clinton. Obviously the old laws were not working, why enforce legislation and laws that don't solve the problem?
    He NEVER enforced the old laws so he, through executive action, made the enforcement weaker. That just doesn't make any sense.
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Not a ban, just a registration and accountability process.
    registration is the prerequisite for a ban. and you are on record for demanding a complete ban so I don't buy your CURRENT claim. btw, criminals cannot be forced or punished for failing to register weapons. why do you gun banners support laws that ONLY apply to people who have not misused guns?
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    He NEVER enforced the old laws so he, through executive action, made the enforcement weaker. That just doesn't make any sense.
    What do you qualify as enforcing the law, exactly? Because as I have pointed out earlier, Obama was deporting illegal immigrants at a far faster pace than George W Bush. If that isn't enforcing the law, then I'm quite frankly lost.
    The risk I took was calculated but man, am I bad at math.

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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    What do you qualify as enforcing the law, exactly? Because as I have pointed out earlier, Obama was deporting illegal immigrants at a far faster pace than George W Bush. If that isn't enforcing the law, then I'm quite frankly lost.
    You are assuming that I think that Bush did a good job. Frankly Bush was as screwed up as Obama so using him as a standard is kind of a fail.
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    You are assuming that I think that Bush did a good job. Frankly Bush was as screwed up as Obama so using him as a standard is kind of a fail.
    I wasn't assuming anything, I am only stating facts. Fact is, Bush was tough on immigration. Another fact, is that prior to his executive actions, Obama was deporting aliens at a far faster rate than Bush. So this whole "Obama is soft on immigration" talking point is bupkis.
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    Re: Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    registration is the prerequisite for a ban. and you are on record for demanding a complete ban so I don't buy your CURRENT claim. btw, criminals cannot be forced or punished for failing to register weapons. why do you gun banners support laws that ONLY apply to people who have not misused guns?
    Why is registration a prerequisite for a ban. If you use this logic, you can pretty much reason your way to making everything free to do no matter what it is. I mean, if you force people to register cars, it could lead to involuntary confiscation. If you force people to carry around money with serial numbers on it, it could result in tracking and confiscation of that money at any time. I mean, really, if you have no better argument then that, you just have to be chalked up as one of those people that we call "gun nuts" in anyone's book. You don't want to solve the problem, and you are more then happy or, simply just don't care what the consqeuences of doing nothing are.

    And I have also explained my reasoning several times to you and you keep asking the same question. Reasoning that seems logical and is actually completely factual. First, they need to ban sales at gun shows unless they are forced to do background checks. Second, they need to ban second hand sales without a background check, and third, every gun needs to be registered and traceable to its current owner. You can decide weather you want a DMV like process where you have to visit them and use them as the intermediary in order to make a legal sale to a 2nd party, or weather you want there to be laws drawn up where that responsibility is left on the seller and buyer themselves. Either way, the only way you will be able to put a dent into firearm paliferation into illegal hands, or hands they should not be in at all, is to come up with a registration and accountability process. No other solution will solve the problem and you will be left with the label of gun nut...
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