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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Considering that I wasn't alive back then I expect nothing. But as for today, I expect people to be honest about why southern states seceded and not sugar coat it. It was about slaves which when reduced to its lowest common denominator equates to property rights which equates to revenue which equates to loss of free labor towhich Whites at the time preferred to keep rather than let go. And they fought a war in order to preserve that right, that status quo, that way of life.
    At the "lowest common denominator" level, it boils down to economics, and the conflict of interests which existed between the North and South.

    The South ultimately rebelled for reasons very similar to those of the American colonies during the Revolution. They felt that a Northern government, in which they had wholly inadequate representation (after all, literally no Southern states voted for Lincoln's presidency) was making unilateral decisions about their future and their livelihoods, without the best interests of the South in mind. They decided to push the issue of voluntary secession from the Union - something which was widely held to be a Constitutional right at the time - in order to correct this state of affairs.

    Were they ultimately correct in doing so? No.

    However, let's not pretend that the issue revolved around nothing besides irrational Southern hated of African-Americans. That simply wasn't the case.

    Plenty of Southerners (Lee included) had misgivings about slavery. They simply wanted to address the issue on their own terms.

    And they lost. And as such, their beloved battle flag needs to come down as it acts as an unpleasant reminder of oppression to a people. Other than keeping it for Confederate Memorial sites/events/holiday or personal, individual sentimental reasons, there's no other reason for keeping the Confederate Flag waving over state property.

    In any case, I'm glad to see that flag coming down all across the south. It's long overdue.
    A) It IS being primarily flown over war memorials, and by private persons. The Far Left and PC authoritarians in general are trying to deny Southerners even that right.

    B) By this logic, are we to assume that Native Americans should "just get over it" and throw away their cultural heritage as well? They "lost" a Hell of a lot worse than the South ever did.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    The bottom line is Lee took his talents to the Confederacy and more than likely prolonged both the war and slavery. I honestly don't see a civil war without the issue of slavery.
    He was a fundamentally decent man, who did what he thought was right.

    He fought competently, and with honor against a vastly superior foe, and actually managed to give them pause in doing so. He also made sure that his troops behaved themselves while in enemy territory - as opposed to the North, which basically reaved and pillaged its way across the entire Southeastern region.

    Regardless of whether he was ultimately right or wrong in doing these things, I will hold none of them against him, or the flag he fought under.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    He was a fundamentally decent man, who did what he thought was right.

    He fought competently, and with honor against a vastly superior foe, and actually managed to give them pause in doing so. He also made sure that his troops behaved themselves while in enemy territory - as opposed to the North, which basically reaved and pillaged its way across the entire Southeastern region.

    Regardless of whether he was ultimately right or wrong in doing these things, I will hold none of them against him, or the flag he fought under.
    Indeed. I'm not a fan of Lee, but burning your enemies cities to the ground and killing innocents is disgraceful. How many women do you think Sherman's men raped as they made their way across the south? Does any of the northern supporters want to guess? There are estimates out there if people are interested.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    For all the completely valid expressions of southern culture...

    Southern Sweet Tea
    Palmetto plants
    Edgar Allen Poe
    The Virginia Possum

    It's something of a surprise that Confederacy supporters choose a battle flag used to denote subjugation of a people in a war that tore this nation apart.
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    I disagree. Just because their drug usage may be no different does not mean their propensity to commit crime is the same or equal.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    At the "lowest common denominator" level, it boils down to economics, and the conflict of interests which existed between the North and South
    about slavery

    The South ultimately rebelled for reasons very similar to those of the American colonies during the Revolution. They felt that a Northern government, in which they had wholly inadequate representation (after all, literally no Southern states voted for Lincoln's presidency) was making unilateral decisions
    about slavery

    Plenty of Southerners (Lee included) had misgivings about slavery. They simply wanted to address the issue on their own terms.

    by extending slavery into new states
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    about slavery
    about slavery
    by extending slavery into new states
    Corwin amendment.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    For all the completely valid expressions of southern culture...

    Southern Sweet Tea
    Palmetto plants
    Edgar Allen Poe
    The Virginia Possum

    It's something of a surprise that Confederacy supporters choose a battle flag used to denote subjugation of a people in a war that tore this nation apart.
    The nation was barely together as it was people. The fact is the founders didn't tiptoe around issues for little reason, but because that is what was called for to keep things moving.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The flags of Britain, Portugal and Spain ( among other ) flew on the ships that brought slaves to the new world.

    Are those " racist symbols " too ?
    Any of those flags flying over our capitols?
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Wondering how this will fair come next election for her?
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Not a fan of diversity, huh? A female with a touch of dot Indian I believe...cant have that....unless she had a D by her name of course, right?
    If she caves in to the PC crowd in SC I hate to think what she would do in DC.
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