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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Well, I looked up the tariff issue on Wikipedia because I've never heard that brought up before and it certainly doesn't look like any reason to start a civil war, let alone compare it the the Revolutionary War (jump to "tariffs" if you want):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issues...il_War#Tariffs

    Do you maybe have a better source to justify tariffs as being a legitimate reason to secede?
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    That's another thing that has to change!


    Uh-oh, I think we got a Clemson fan. You bleed orange?

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You're purposely avoiding the issue. So, let me put it to you another way:

    What role did state's right play in the southern state's ability to retain property rights while also generating revenue while retaining both their revenue stream prior to secession, as well as, retain their so-called "southern way of life"? What was the one thing they stood to lose under state's rights that impacted both their revenue AND their lifestyle?
    Read this response from Goshen, it will enlighten you.
    The South had been involved in a series of political and economic conflicts with the North for decades. A lot of involved tariffs and trade restrictions imposed on the South by the Federal Congress, at the behest of northern industrial and shipping concerns who wanted to plunder the South's foreign trade lines. Also at issue was whether the States were sovereign and still capable of exerting internal autonomy, the "null and void" crisis.

    I've studied the history leading up to the war extensively. I was allowed to take some post-grad-level history courses in college; the two I chose were the Vietnam War and the Civil War, both by the same professor, a brilliant man whose classes on history were always in DEPTH... I mean in the Vietnam war class he started off on Day 1 saying "To understand the roots of the Vietnam war, you have to go back to about 1000 BC..." He was similarly thorough about the Civil War, beginning with pre-Revolution differences between the North and South in climate, economy, politics, settlements, and more, and proceeding to detail the conflicts that lead to the war. He said very plainly that while slavery was AN issue it was far from the only one, and not necessarily the most causal.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Wrong are you. I guess you forgot the economic conflict the South had with the north leading up to the war? Slavery was only the main issue LATER when the yanks realized Johnny Reb was kicking their tails in more ways than one.
    Are we seriously still pretending the Civil War wasn't about slavery, despite the fact that several states' official declarations of secession and war were SPECIFICALLY addressing their belief in the inferiority of the black race as their main reason for it? What, did the Yankees sneak into their state buildings and write those declarations for them?

    Whatever. You're just choosing intentional ignorance.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    University of South Carolina baby. Go Cocks!





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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Are we seriously still pretending the Civil War wasn't about slavery, despite the fact that several states' official declarations of secession and war were SPECIFICALLY addressing their belief in the inferiority of the black race as their main reason for it? What, did the Yankees sneak into their state buildings and write those declarations for them?

    Whatever. You're just choosing intentional ignorance.
    Slavery was AN issue. ONE. Not the only one. If I am choosing to be intentionally ignorant then you had horrible history teachers.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If your livelihood was being strangled away and the State you viewed as your nation unfairly plundered by distant special interests, you might think so.
    Ok, do you have a link or would you mind explaining how unfairly the Fed gov't was treating the southern states, because I skimmed over the topic of tariffs and it looks like most southerners wanted to secede because of slavery, not tariffs. This is according to the wikipedia page (under "Tariffs"), so if you have a better source, please let me know.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Uh-oh, I think we got a Clemson fan. You bleed orange?
    No, I just think the name's funny! Michigan here, we have a new football coach that we're excited about!

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Slavery was AN issue. ONE. Not the only one. If I am choosing to be intentionally ignorant then you had horrible history teachers.
    No, I've just read the source material. And it's about slavery and the supposed inferiority of the black race. Basically nothing else.

    I'm sorry this offends you so, but that's reality. And the denial of this fact is one of the many reasons the South is still thought of as quite racist. But that's your cross to bear, I guess.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Ok, do you have a link or would you mind explaining how unfairly the Fed gov't was treating the southern states, because I skimmed over the topic of tariffs and it looks like most southerners wanted to secede because of slavery, not tariffs. This is according to the wikipedia page (under "Tariffs"), so if you have a better source, please let me know.
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