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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Absolutely, Amazon, Walmart, TV Land and anybody else jumping on this PC band wagon. They all should have purged this racist symbol long ago and on their own.
    The flags of Britain, Portugal and Spain ( among other ) flew on the ships that brought slaves to the new world.

    Are those " racist symbols " too ?

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    In all fairness, the issue was not on ANYONE's mental radar until a few days after the Charleston shootings, when a few activists and the media decided to turn the issue into a circus and act like it was some kind of immediate-action-crisis.

    Back in 2000, after years of protests and boycotts, the SC State Legislature decided to move the flag from the Statehouse dome to the Confederate War Memorial nearby. This was considered a reasonable compromise by most SC'linians... it moved the flag to a place of historical relevance and quieted the raging controversy to a large degree.

    Up until the media-manufactured furor post-Charleston, if you'd polled the SC citizenry about the flag half of them would have forgotten entirely and 40-70% of the rest would have said "It's good where it is."


    So there it was. Most SC'ians were ok with it. The flag wasn't killing anybody or oppressing anyone. Nobody was talking about it. The flag wasn't interfering with budget issues or keeping the roads from being repaired (a HUGE issue in SC recently).

    It just wasn't a ****ing issue, ok?


    Most SC'ians could have given a rat's ass at the time about the flag. We're more concerned about jobs, the dayum fracked-up roads, and local politics.


    Why touch a previously-controversial issue that was slumbering peaceably and on NOBODY's mind or lips? What politician with a lick of sense is going to do that UNLESS he or she sees a way to make political hay out of it?


    It's no wonder she left it alone up to this point.


    I'm disappointed that she's let pressure from outside the state push her into her premature declaration about the flag, and yeah makes me wonder if she's positioning for a run at POTUS, but as politicians go her behavior isn't atrocious, merely predictably coming down firmly on the side of self-interest.


    She can't run for Gov again so I guess she wants to go national...
    Exactly. I understand why she's doing, but I still think it's a cowardly "sell out" move all the same.

    The simple fact of the matter is that what we have now is a fair compromise. The battle flag isn't flying over the Capital. It's flying over a war memorial. There's actually a Black History monument on the opposite side of the grounds as well.

    The way things are now represents a perfectly equitable reflection of our state's actual history, culture, and demographics. The changes being proposed frankly seem to be a Hell of a lot more about deliberately spitting in the face of Southern culture, and enforcing "P.C." cultural supremacy than anything else.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Stars and Stripes, the flag of the North flew for over 80 years while Slavery was legal.

    Allot longer than the Confederate battle flag.

    The Flag of Britain flew on the slave ships that brought slaves over.

    Should those flags ve retired too ?
    No, because under Lincoln and the Stars and Stripes we also abolished slavery.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    No, because under Lincoln and the Stars and Stripes we also abolished slavery.

    Belatedly, reluctantly, and hesitantly.... because it wasn't the foremost cause of the war. The Union/Fedgov vs State Sovereignty/seperatism was. Lincoln said as much.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Where there other major issues besides slavery?
    Unfair tarriffs for one
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The flags of Britain, Portugal and Spain ( among other ) flew on the ships that brought slaves to the new world.

    Are those " racist symbols " too ?
    Let's not forget they sent some slaves to the Caribbean, so let's ban flags from the islands also. See how silly this can get?
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    No, because under Lincoln and the Stars and Stripes we also abolished slavery.
    Lincoln didn't give a rat's behind about slavery. He just didn't want the South to be able to exercise their right to secede.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Belatedly, reluctantly, and hesitantly.... because it wasn't the foremost cause of the war. The Union/Fedgov vs State Sovereignty/seperatism was. Lincoln said as much.
    Do you believe Lincoln actually meant it though? I and many others believe that he said and did what he had to at times to keep the US together at all costs. Everyone knew Lincoln was anti-slavery even though he would talk out of both sides of his mouth from time to time for political reasons. Besides, what other major issues did the south have other than slavery?

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Lincoln didn't give a rat's behind about slavery. He just didn't want the South to be able to exercise their right to secede.

    Abraham Lincoln Quotes About Slavery (Including Sources)

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Unfair tarriffs for one
    Does that sound like a good reason to secede and start a civil war, risking hundreds of thousands of lives?

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