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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    I'd rather live in a county named after a person of honor than a drunk. Grant was a merciless drunk most of his life. However he did atone for the wrongs he ordered against the South in the end by threatening to leave his government job if the Supreme Court did not give Arlington back to the Lee family
    Yes indeed. Grant is a blemish on presidential history, one of the worst, but then that is besides the point. To the extent that the south was (if it was) fighting for autonomy and the likes, I have no issues with them. But fighting to preserve an institution responsible for so much of their wealth, that's a whole other issue. Had slavery been out of the equation, I would never consider 5-6% of the population worth trading to preserve a union that was merely agreed to with some reservation eighty years earlier worth the trade.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes indeed. Grant is a blemish on presidential history, one of the worst, but then that is besides the point. To the extent that the south was (if it was) fighting for autonomy and the likes, I have no issues with them. But fighting to preserve an institution responsible for so much of their wealth, that's a whole other issue. Had slavery been out of the equation, I would never consider 5-6% of the population worth trading to preserve a union that was merely agreed to with some reservation eighty years earlier worth the trade.
    Slavery was on its way out anyway but it sure as heck was not gonna happen overnight
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Oh nonsense. For example, General Joseph E. Johnston and Sherman were the closest of friends after the end of the war, Johnston went so far as to serve as Sherman's pallbearer. Despite the cold and rain when he was told to put his hat back on he gave the famous reply "If I were in his place and he were standing here in mine, he would not put on his hat." Nor would the General tolerate any ill to be spoken of Sherman in his presence.
    He must not have known who or what his buddy really was.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Then you must never point to the horrors committed by others with judgement, for after all, they're just trying to end hostilities quicker. Funny how we always justify our war crimes (the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the firebombing of Tokyo and Dresden) on the merits that we were just ending hostilities quicker and saving lives and suffering. But are so quick to exploit the war crimes of others, yep yep.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Slavery was on its way out anyway but it sure as heck was not gonna happen overnight
    Slavery needed to be gone, and it did end overnight with the Union victory. But I still have a huge problem with spending 600,000 American lives to bring it about.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    He must not have known who or what his buddy really was.
    Hahaha, you're right. General Johnston had less of an idea of his opponent, the man who he defended Georgia against, than you!

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Slavery needed to be gone, and it did end overnight with the Union victory. But I still have a huge problem with spending 600,000 American lives to bring it about.
    Like I said, it was on its way out anyway. Besides slavery has technically been legal in Mississippi until a couple years ago and they finally ratified the 13th amendment.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Hahaha, you're right. General Johnston had less of an idea of his opponent, the man who he defended Georgia against, than you!
    Sometimes you really don't know a person until after something happens. Look at the killers who kill for no good reason. People always talk about what great people they were.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    No one needs men with that mindset in their military ranks.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Then you must never point to the horrors committed by others with judgement, for after all, they're just trying to end hostilities quicker. Funny how we always justify our war crimes (the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the firebombing of Tokyo and Dresden) on the merits that we were just ending hostilities quicker and saving lives and suffering. But are so quick to exploit the war crimes of others, yep yep.
    So you were against the US dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end the World War?

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