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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The perpetrator of the crimes was expressing sympathy for the victims, years after the war. Oh, now that's rich. Targeting civilian food sources to break their spirit and support of their government is not heroic. Sorry to stand in stark disagreement with you on that.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    I am well aware Houston is in the South. However I also know the climate in colleges and universities today is to whitewash history and turn students communist. Look around its happening everywhere.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    I'd rather live in a county named after a person of honor than a drunk. Grant was a merciless drunk most of his life. However he did atone for the wrongs he ordered against the South in the end by threatening to leave his government job if the Supreme Court did not give Arlington back to the Lee family
    I guess even a drunk could defeat a ragtag army like the Confederate especially when led by a loser like Lee. You are right though Lee did surrender honorably.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I guess even a drunk could defeat a ragtag army like the Confederate especially when led by a loser like Lee. You are right though Lee did surrender honorably.
    The South's luck started to change when we lost Stonewall at Chancellorsville. Had that not happened, Gettysburg might have been the end of it and the yanks would have left us be.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    And the Iron Cross was used by the Nazis, and the Japan's "Rising Sun" flag (which is actually pretty damn similar to the 'Confederate flag' in terms of cultural significance) was used as the battle flag of the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy during WW2.

    Just because bad people may have adopted a symbol at a certain point, doesn't mean that they taint it forever. Symbols are ultimately completely arbitrary. They mean whatever a given people say they mean.
    This looks pointless, but I'll play anyway. The Iron Cross had a long and distinguished history prior to and post the Nazi era. It wasn't ever identified AS a uniquely "Nazi" symbol.
    Japan adopted their flag in 1870, so it's also not identified with Pearl Harbor except that it was the Japanese who attacked us. And to my knowledge Hawaii doesn't fly the Japanese flag over any memorial to dead Japanese, killed at Pearl Harbor.

    But these examples are red herrings so you can avoid the history of the Rebel flag. Your state's elected leaders and mine flew it as a signal of defiance against civil rights for blacks, in my lifetime. Sorry, but when it went up in 1961 it didn't mean "Love of the South."

    In this case, the vast majority of Southerners say that, for them, the flag stands simply for Southern culture as a whole, and as a form of memorial for their ancestors who fought and died during the Civil War. There's really no reason not to believe them.
    I believe them, but what you mean is "the vast majority of WHITE Southerners..." Before the current crisis, about 60% of blacks did not share those feelings, and it was them and their ancestors who were oppressed by the STATE through Jim Crow laws those same legislators marched under THAT flag to maintain.

    Like I said, I get the divide, but what's frustrating is the seeming unwillingness to actually acknowledge how your state's leaders used THAT particular flag.

    It's only really non-Southerners, and African Americans looking for an excuse to be offended, who see it otherwise. Frankly, that's just because they're either reading too much into it, or have a negative view of Southern culture to begin with, and are actively trying to impose their own preconceptions upon the flag, while completely ignoring the ways in which the flag's cultural significance has evolved over the course of recent decades.
    That's unfair. I'm a southerner, life long, 51 years and I can't wait to bury that relic of history. I think it gives this entire region a bad name. When I see someone with that flag, I don't know how to tell if they're a proud racist or just love the South. Neither does the rest of the world. The killer didn't pick that flag at random. The meaning he ascribed to it is the exact same meaning ascribed to it by state leaders, elected leaders, governors, legislators, all across the South. Frankly to assume blacks are "looking for an excuse" to be offended by that flag is just a dedicated refusal to see why they might not need to look very hard - all they have to do is look at recent history and how that banner was used.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    You mean that scum? With any luck he is being charred in the innermost circle of hell right now and hopefully will be forever. He was pure evil scum who wanted to wipe out as many Southern civilians as possible just because he felt like it
    Hahaha, if that was his goal he didn't exactly try very hard or do very well. Civilian casualties were extremely low during both the Atlanta Campaign and the March to the Sea. =)

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Hahaha, if that was his goal he didn't exactly try very hard or do very well. Civilian casualties were extremely low during both the Atlanta Campaign and the March to the Sea. =)
    Not like that scum didn't try to force people to starve or freeze to death. NOT a creature I would look up to at all. I have a strong feeling that karma got the last laugh with that one though
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist17 View Post
    Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag' | US news | The Guardian
    How could it happen that a flag which has always been a symbol of love for the South now represents racism and hatred? I feel sorry for those people who have been sticking confederate flags on their license plates since forever. Now they are all considered bigots and nazis. Maybe it's time to chill up a bit and just forget about one mentally disabled racist who used it as a symbol of his racial hatred? Because it will only distance the southerners from the rest of the country.
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