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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unicron View Post
    and Abe was killed a few days after the war ended.
    Yep, I have been to Ford's Theater and saw exactly where it happened. In fact they have it preserved just like it was that night. Of course the house where he actually died is marked with a huge sign so no one with decent eyesight will miss it.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    The flag of my state depicts a slave owning southerner front and center, what happens when some special interest group claims they feel hatred visiting the capitol dome?

    If history (and not current meaning) is what makes things offensive this becomes a valid question
    Then better tell the State of Washington to redesign their flag! Oh well I was born there and still love the place Even though I would much rather see a purple and gold flag with a Husky in the middle
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    That is so ridiculous its actually sad. I guess you forgot that even Grant owned slaves. Well he freed his one guy but wifie wasn't about to free her domestic help.
    That flag is the Dixiecrat flag of segregation not the Confederate flag.
    I wish they would rename my county to Grant county instead o the that loser Lee.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Originally Posted by Amadeus (Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag')
    The political and economic self-determination of owning slaves.



    No Amadeus is right.





    It was the literal lifeblood of the CSA.

    Slavery was their Cornerstone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Most Northern states had abolished slavery in the 18th Century.
    There were very few slaves in the North by 1861.

    Meanwhile, in the States the CSA claimed as their own, there were nearly four million slaves.

    Yes, nearly one out of four people in the South were slaves.

    I always think these stats are stunning:

    State ---Free Population ---Slave Population (1860)
    Alabama --519,121 ----435,080
    Georgia ---505,088 ----462,198
    Louisiana --376,276 ----331,726
    Mississippi -354,674 ----436,631
    South Carolina-- 301,302 ---402,406
    Texas ---421,649 ----182,566
    Arkansas --324,335--- 111,115
    North Carolina -661,563 ---331,099
    Tennessee--- 834,082--- 275,719
    Florida ---78,679 ----61,745
    Kentucky --930,201 ---225,483
    Virginia --1,105,453 ---490,865


    Some states more slaves than free persons.
    The North never really needed slavery, as it never had the climate to make it profitable in the first place. By way of contrast, the South was an agrarian economy which had basically been built up around the plantation system. Of course they had more slaves, and had more reason to be defensive about the system being removed. It was their entire livelihood.

    That does not change the fact, however, that it was never their primary reason for going to war from an ideological standpoint, nor that the ending of was slavery was never the North's primary goal in trying to suppress the Confederacy. The war was always primarily about economic and political self-determination in the South, and keeping the Union intact in the North. The issue of slavery simply happened to have been one of the major catalysts responsible for driving the two to blows.

    The North had slave states on its side for the the duration of the war. Lincoln himself was also known to believe that African Americans were generally inferior to whites - he simple supported deporting them all, rather than keeping them as slaves.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I'm sorry, but no. That's simply wrong. Southern soldiers didn't charge into battle with the thought of preserving some rich man's ability to own slaves on their minds.

    They were sold the war on the premise of state's rights, and independence. The ability to deal with slavery as the states saw fit simply happened to be one of those rights.

    Besides, both North and South owned slaves for the duration of the war, and both sides generally regarded African Americans as being "inferior." The Emancipation Proclamation didn't even come into play until two years into the conflict. Before that point, the Union was simply fighting to preserve it's territory.



    A) The Confederates weren't the freaking Nazis. That's simply the Far Left pulling a melodramatic Godwin.

    B) It was 150 years ago. Lighten up.

    The Germans still pay homage to the Iron Cross in spite of it being used in both WW1 and WW2. The Japanese still fly the Rising Sun flag which was carried into battle by the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy. All of those regimes were responsible for things quite a bit more heinous than anything in which the C.S.A. was ever involved.
    Actually more Americans died because of the Confederate traitors. In my book that makes them worse than the Nazi's.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Someone needs to pass that on to those who raised and taught the guy who murdered 9 blacks in a Black church.

    Where did he get his ideas from?
    White Supremacist groups, most of whom advocate blatantly fascist viewpoints and ideology.

    It didn't have a damn thing to do with either the Confederacy or the battle flag as the vast majority of Southerners view them. Hell! The man was flying South African and Rhodesian flags half the time anyway.

    Crazy people will do as crazy people are wont to do.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Actually more Americans died because of the Confederate traitors. In my book that makes them worse than the Nazi's.
    You're assuming that anyone gives a damn about "your book"... Why, exactly?

    Did the Confederates exterminate 10 - 20 million people in the name of racial purity? Did they commit the kinds of heinous war crimes for which the Nazis were notorious?

    No, and no. Actually, if you want to talk about "war crimes," the North was far worse than the Confederacy ever was. Lee took care to make sure that his troops behaved themselves. Sherman had no such qualms.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    White Supremacist groups, most of whom advocate blatantly fascist viewpoints and ideology.

    It didn't have a damn thing to do with either the Confederacy or the battle flag as the vast majority of Southerners view them. Hell! The man was flying South African and Rhodesian flags half the time anyway.

    Crazy people will do as crazy people are wont to do.
    The Dixiecrats were crazy racists and they made the flag their emblem and put it on Govt. houses all over the south. The Civil war is long forgotten but the stain of Dixiecrat racism and segregation remains. Blame them for polluting the memory of the flag then. If it wasn't for them it would be a harmless relic of our past.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    So secession was essentially about taxes? I've never heard that one before. Taxes on everything or just specific things?
    It's obvious she isn't going to be honest and admit that the one overriding issue was slavery.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Like I said, you need a history lesson
    Such ignorance is unbelievable! I took Civil War History at the University of Houston during my senior year. The U of H is in the South, by the way, and our professor said the one overriding issue was slavery.

    Of course your beliefs and sources are the correct ones and everyone else is wrong.

    You might be able to sell your merchandise as fertilizer but not history.

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