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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    You know what, I don't care what the flag stood for in the past or what other people feel that the flag stands for. All that matters is what I feel the flag stands for. And for me the flag stands for Rebellion against tyrannical authority. Dukes of Hazard style. That's where I first saw it. On the Dukes of Hazard. And what it meant on that show is to rebel against corruption and to help those in need and always do the right thing. THAT is what I feel the flag stands for. If others disagree....I don't care.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Someone needs to pass that on to those who raised and taught the guy who murdered 9 blacks in a Black church.

    Where did he get his ideas from?

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Someone needs to pass that on to those who raised and taught the guy who murdered 9 blacks in a Black church.

    Where did he get his ideas from?

    From the internet. In today's age of information availability, ignorance is willful.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Originally Posted by Amadeus (Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag')
    The political and economic self-determination of owning slaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I'm sorry, but no. That's simply wrong. ....
    No Amadeus is right.





    It was the literal lifeblood of the CSA.

    Slavery was their Cornerstone.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
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    Besides, both North and South owned slaves for the duration of the war ...
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    Most Northern states had abolished slavery in the 18th Century.
    There were very few slaves in the North by 1861.

    Meanwhile, in the States the CSA claimed as their own, there were nearly four million slaves.

    Yes, nearly one out of four people in the South were slaves.

    I always think these stats are stunning:

    State ---Free Population ---Slave Population (1860)
    Alabama --519,121 ----435,080
    Georgia ---505,088 ----462,198
    Louisiana --376,276 ----331,726
    Mississippi -354,674 ----436,631
    South Carolina-- 301,302 ---402,406
    Texas ---421,649 ----182,566
    Arkansas --324,335--- 111,115
    North Carolina -661,563 ---331,099
    Tennessee--- 834,082--- 275,719
    Florida ---78,679 ----61,745
    Kentucky --930,201 ---225,483
    Virginia --1,105,453 ---490,865


    Some states more slaves than free persons.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Stars and Stripes, the flag of the North flew for over 80 years while Slavery was legal.

    Allot longer than the Confederate battle flag.

    Seems like the North only seemed to have an issue with Slavery right when the South wanted to secede.

    Hmmmm..what a coincidence.

    The Flag of Britain flew on the slave ships that brought slaves over.

    Should those flags be retired too ?
    It was the flag of the United States, it was not a pro-slavery flag. In fact, with the Southern states giving themselves a battle flag to fight with the Northern States to keep their slavery legal, the USA flag became the anti-slavery flag under which the armies fought the traitors who took up arms against the United States.

    Personally I could care less that the flag is there, but I do think it is sad that some people think the flag of treason and slavery is the sign of Southern Pride? Pride of what? The treason? The fact that they took up arms against their own country men to keep slaves? That is not something to be very proud of IMHO. The same goes for the names of soldiers and politicians who decided to betray the United States of America in order to keep their slaves, that are put on buildings and roads.

    The South may have a lot to be proud of, but slavery and betrayal is not really something to be proud of. Why not celebrate something else than the battle flag or other flags of betrayal? Why not fly the flag of your own state with the motto "Southern Pride" stitched on there? Southern pride can be professed in a more appropriate manner.

    I do disagree with the motivation that is being used now, that Roof moron, the flag should have been removed because it sent out the wrong message and should have been removed and replaced by a South Carolina flag.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The flags of Britain, Portugal and Spain ( among other ) flew on the ships that brought slaves to the new world.

    Are those " racist symbols " too ?
    I am not proud that flags of my country where on slave vessels. But we did not fight a civil war with that flag to allow slavery to go on. Our flag was used to fight the French to secure a free country.

    The slavery vessels use of flags was not synonymous or of determining importance to the moral signature of our flag, it is a dark spot on an otherwise "clean flag" (the other dark spot was our colony history). But it was not used as a flag under which we turned on our country and the citizens of our country.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Because the Confederate South is KNOWN for its role in slavery, segregation, and racial derision.

    That's how it went down in the history books - Southerners who cling to it surely are smart enough to know that.
    You do realize that all those things were going on in the North too? (although slavery was not in most Northern states, it still wasn't the main thing that the North cared about when it came to the reasons they were fighting) The North didn't start fighting the South to end slavery, not most of those people fighting anyway. The North entered the fight to keep the Southern states from leaving the Union. Lincoln did not win on a platform about freeing slaves or ending slavery in the South. His platform was about keeping slavery from expanding. This was seen as a problem for the South because much of their population and therefore voting power came from slaves and slave owners having those slaves (giving them through design of the Constitution more voting power with their votes than the North technically got due to having people who couldn't vote being counted for them).

    And not all the southern states joined the Confederacy right away. Some took so long because there was some serious divides about the issue of slavery in those "border" states, at least until the North started conscripting soldiers/militias from those states to fight for them, which basically pissed them off into joining the Confederacy.

    While it is a great thing that the North won the Civil War and slavery ended completely (don't support secession either), it also would be wrong to say that the South was doing it because of racial derision or segregation but ignore the fact that the North had those things going on as well, especially at that time. It is also wrong to maintain that just because something was used one way in the past, doesn't mean people cannot attach different, especially more broad meanings to it now.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    It now stands for white Southern conservatives who generally have a disdainful view of black people.
    Sorry, I've seen it here too in Michigan. And stop hiding from your racist history, your party is a symbol of slavery.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That "loser" flag was all but forgotten until the civil rights act was passed and then it popped up all over the South. It has been given a new meaning and it is about repression not history.
    That is so ridiculous its actually sad. I guess you forgot that even Grant owned slaves. Well he freed his one guy but wifie wasn't about to free her domestic help.
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