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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Not a fan of diversity, huh? A female with a touch of dot Indian I believe...cant have that....unless she had a D by her name of course, right?
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
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    The South ultimately rebelled for reasons very similar to those of the American colonies during the Revolution. They felt that a Northern government, in which they had wholly inadequate representation
    Too funny. The South was *overrepresented* in Congress as they got to count their near four million slaves, that had no representation, no vote - that was literally only property -- as 3/5ths apportionment / representaion

    (after all, literally no Southern states voted for Lincoln's presidency) ...
    It sort of mattered that literally no Southern states ...

    listen up now: even allowed Lincoln to be on the ballot.

    How's that for audacity?

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Too funny. The South was *overrepresented* in Congress as they got to count their near four million slaves, that had no representation, no vote - that was literally only property -- as 3/5ths apportionment / representaion

    It sort of mattered that literally no Southern states ...

    listen up now: even allowed Lincoln to be on the ballot.
    Any of this changes what, exactly?

    The simple fact of the matter is that the South was being muscled out of electoral and legislative processes of the Union. They felt they could do better than that.

    The American Revolution really wasn't fought for any reason particularly more noble.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist17 View Post
    Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag' | US news | The Guardian

    How could it happen that a flag which has always been a symbol of love for the South no--
    *Snort*

    Okay...

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Not even close. The Confederate flag (all 5 of them)_ flew over exactly 0 slave ships. Even the North had slaves. It took the 13th amendment to free ALL of the slaves since Lincoln's joke of an "emancipation proclamation" only freed slaves in the South. The slave trade had been going on forever, and the north only bothered with it when they realized that if the South kicked their butts like they were already doing, then westward expansion was going to be a huge problem for the north because the southern states would expand even further west and then the north would be a supreme disadvantage.
    That "loser" flag was all but forgotten until the civil rights act was passed and then it popped up all over the South. It has been given a new meaning and it is about repression not history.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That "loser" flag was all but forgotten until the civil rights act was passed and then it popped up all over the South. It has been given a new meaning and it is about repression not history.
    False.





    It was regularly flown in the South in support of Confederate veterans right up until the last of them died in the 1940s and 1950s.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    False.





    It was regularly flown in the South in support of Confederate veterans right up until the last of them died in the 1940s and 1950s.
    LOL It was occasionally used in reunions and funerals.....not over State Capitals. You are dead wrong and need to learn your history.

    South Carolina's confederate flag hasn't been flying since the Civil War. The flag wasn’t prominently displayed in the South until southern politicians began using it in their campaigns; and South Carolina didn’t start flying the flag at its state capitol until 1962, a century after the war began.

    We spoke with historian David Goldfield, author of Still Fighting the Civil War, about the flag’s revival.

    Why did the the Confederate flag reappear so long after the war?

    The Confederate battle flag made its reappearance following the end of World War II. A group of southern states seceded from the Democratic party and ran their own ticket, the Dixiecrats, and the Confederate battle flag was very prominent with the Dixiecrat campaign in the 1948 presidential election. Before ‘48, it had appeared occasionally at football games at southern universities, and usually at soldiers’ reunions or commemorations of Civil War battles; but other than that, it really was not a prominent feature of the South.

    Once the Dixiecrats got a hold of it as a matter of defiance against their Democratic colleagues in the north and the African Americans in their midst, then the Confederate battle flag took on a new life, or a second life. In the 1950s, as the Civil Rights Movement built up steam, you began to see more and more public displays of the Confederate battle flag, to the point where the state of Georgia in 1956 redesigned their state flag to include the Confederate battle flag.
    Why the Confederate Flag Made a 20th Century Comeback
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL It was occasionally used in reunions and funerals.....
    And parades, and yearly anniversaries of certain battles, and etca, etca. Either way, it was a common aspect of Southern culture all throughout the era.

    FYI, the flag was returned to the capital building because of the 100 year anniversary of the start of the Civil War. There is no direct evidence indicating that it had anything at all to do with segregation.

    Frankly, the flag's not even flying over the capital building anymore anyway. It's over a war memorial for Confederate soldiers.

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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    And parades, and yearly anniversaries of certain battles, and etca, etca. Either way, it was a common aspect of Southern culture all throughout the era.

    FYI, the flag was returned to the capital building because of the 100 year anniversary of the start of the Civil War. There is no direct evidence indicating that it had anything at all to do with segregation.

    Frankly, the flag's not even flying over the capital building anymore anyway. It's over a war memorial for Confederate soldiers.
    Where it frankly became even more visible than where it was. Read the link I gave you and learn. It really is the flag of the Dixiecrats and not the Civil War. It is time to put that nonsense away for good.. Historians are your friend.
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    Re: Nikki Haley: 'I could not look my kids in the face and justify that flag'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Where it frankly became even more visible that where it was. Read the link I gave you and learn. It really is the flag of the Dixiecrats and not the Civil War.. Historians are your friend.
    Again, the official reason was the 100 year anniversary of the Civil War. Any claim to the contrary is ultimately conjecture and hearsay.

    Either way, the flag certainly doesn't stand for segregation now, and doesn't fly over the capital anymore. Who the Hell cares?

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