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    Re: Greece referendum: Early results show 'No' vote ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post


    Does it surprise that they would have similar features living in the same geographic area that would have been visited by the same historical people's (Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, Arabs)? If you think I'm wrong: you are kidding yourself.

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    I know what Mediterranean people's look like. I'm related to Greeks and I went to college with many Arabs.
    Well, I have no problem distinguishing. The one who ain't stoned to the gills is probably the Arab.

    Seriously, Greeks are in their majority Indo-European still where Arabs are semitic. Features may overlap but seldom all of them.

    Your two examples, aside from the dope, don't look alike to me at all.

    But far more important than whether you or I can make the distinction, Greeks can.

    And Mediterranean people are manifold with just as many distinctive features. So if you know what they ALL look like, congratulations.

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    Re: Greece referendum: Early results show 'No' vote ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    Your analysis of Spain is grossly wrong. Where not uninfluenced by the US origin crisis, they'd created their own real estate bubble to the point of insanity and it finally burst. The Spanish crash was to the far larger extent of own making.

    As is the current debt crisis of Greece.

    That outside myopia in instituting more adequate measures payed a role is not under dispute where I am concerned. But this constant "it was solely everybody else's fault" is childish.

    Your analysis of Spain is grossly wrong. There was no Spanish housing bubble, or to be more accurate, the Spanish housing bubble ended a few decades ago. There was a global housing bubble, which saw real estate and construction booms in countries all across the globe. Those housing bubbles were all driven in large part by the exact same sorts of speculation by large financial institutions. The economy contracted quite rapidly, and the troubles were exacerbated by idiotic austerity measures imposed by outside forces and by absurd Spanish law which means people are still obligated to pay off loans on properties that have been foreclosed on and they no longer own.

    So since this wasn't "everyone else's fault," I am not sure who everyone else is, whose fault is it? Is this another one of the moronic individual responsibility tropes? Yes the Spanish and Greeks are responsible for global economic failures, and need to own up to their failures. The average Spaniard and Greek needs to be held accountable in particular, as they wanted houses, and that is what they get for wanting houses. Economic catastrophe and debt servitude. It is what they deserve for existing within the confines of the global financial system.
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    Re: Greece referendum: Early results show 'No' vote ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    Seriously, Greeks are in their majority Indo-European still where Arabs are semitic. Features may overlap but seldom all of them.
    They are all Caucasians.
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    Re: Greece referendum: Early results show 'No' vote ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Aran?

    I do hope you don't mean 'Aryan', the mythological race definer.
    Arab. I need to prostrate myself in front of the typo nazis and beg forgiveness and hope I don't get sent to one of their labor camps.
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    Re: Greece referendum: Early results show 'No' vote ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    I've pointed out elsewhere that management of the common currency is not decided in Athens and not by Greece alone. The same thing applies to whether a community of nations helps an ailing member out and how. I don't recall that the rest of Europe got to vote in that particular referendum, despite being affected by it.

    But believe you me, it'll vote in other instances. Not so much in referendums but in equally sovereign parliaments.

    As to calling others sycophants (in return), go look in the mirror. This isn't class struggle, no matter how you and your opposition wants to turn it that way.

    If I were Greek and had you championing my cause, I'd stick a sock in yer gob. An elephant size one, the sock not the gob.

    While I enjoy the witty banter, gobs and socks, how amusing.... I have to say, what in the world does class struggle have to do with anything? You talk about childishness in your previous post, but it is simplistic and childish thinking to imagine that one must either accept the dictates of the neoliberal capitalist order, or one must be a Marxist advocating revolution. I am simply advocating sensible and effective economic policy, instead of bad economic policy and simplistic moralization. There is a reason that almost every economist of any value opposes the extreme authority measures powerful Eurozone countries are imposing on the periphery, and it has nothing to do with class struggle.
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    Re: Greece referendum: Early results show 'No' vote ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Arab. I need to prostrate myself in front of the typo nazis and beg forgiveness and hope I don't get sent to one of their labor camps.
    Well, the convoluted nature of your analogy could have made either interpretation of your typo possible, although I'd point out that Greece has never had any major Arab colonisation, invasion or overlordship.
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    Re: Greece referendum: Early results show 'No' vote ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    Well, I have no problem distinguishing. The one who ain't stoned to the gills is probably the Arab.

    Seriously, Greeks are in their majority Indo-European still where Arabs are semitic. Features may overlap but seldom all of them.

    Your two examples, aside from the dope, don't look alike to me at all.

    But far more important than whether you or I can make the distinction, Greeks can.

    And Mediterranean people are manifold with just as many distinctive features. So if you know what they ALL look like, congratulations.

    What are you talking about? Indo-European and Semitic are language groups, what in the world would that have to do with someones features? Israelis are also part of the Semitic language group, but all the Israelis of European descent look like any other European does.
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    Re: Greece referendum: Early results show 'No' vote ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodly View Post
    Your analysis of Spain is grossly wrong. There was no Spanish housing bubble, or to be more accurate, the Spanish housing bubble ended a few decades ago...........
    You're another one of those whose ranting opinionatedness is exceeded only by their ignorance, as is usual with your ilk.

    I AM in Spain and was then and I watched it all from within. I saw the reasons for it as well, just as I watched the corruption, local, regional and national.

    You know nothing on Spain. In fact one might as well stop after "nothing".

    The rest of your post I won't dignify with any address.

    Now go away and bother someone else, I've completed my years long stint of tolerance for annoying brats decades ago.

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    Re: Greece referendum: Early results show 'No' vote ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Arab. I need to prostrate myself in front of the typo nazis and beg forgiveness and hope I don't get sent to one of their labor camps.
    Report in tomorrow morning at 9 sharp.

    And bring your own whip, Greece is not the only country that can't afford to buy them.


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    Re: Greece referendum: Early results show 'No' vote ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    You're another one of those whose ranting opinionatedness is exceeded only by their ignorance, as is usual with your ilk.

    I AM in Spain and was then and I watched it all from within. I saw the reasons for it as well, just as I watched the corruption, local, regional and national.

    You know nothing on Spain. In fact one might as well stop after "nothing".

    The rest of your post I won't dignify with any address.

    Now go away and bother someone else, I've completed my years long stint of tolerance for annoying brats decades ago.

    That was a lot of words to say the same thing, you have nothing substantive to say. Just stick with that. You have nothing substantive to say, so you resort to ad hominem and appeal to your own authority based on the fact that you "ARE in Spain." Rarely have I ever seen such an absurd appeal to authority in my life. Your current place of residence couldn't be less relevant. Your complete lack of economic understanding is what matters, and it shines through, since you have failed to present a single substantive argument.
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