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    Re: Obama Plans Broader Use of Clemency to Free Nonviolent Drug Offenders

    This is a good first step. No one should be rotting in prison for this stuff while we work to decriminalize (in my opinion legalize would be the ultimate goal) drug possession and use.
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    Re: Obama Plans Broader Use of Clemency to Free Nonviolent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Hey, good job, Obama. It was obviously commendable of you to release several dozen nonviolent drug offenders.



    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/us...ders.html?_r=0

    Now just one suggestion, if I may: Replace the word "dozens" with "all" and you'll be on the right track. Nobody should be in prison for this crap. We're starting down the path to UHC (very slowly, but I feel surely) and we've legalized same sex marriage. It's time to evolve.
    The federal government has, within the last month, conducted a marijuana raid. Nothing has changed.

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    Re: Obama Plans Broader Use of Clemency to Free Nonviolent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Do that first. Law should not be discretionarily dispensed. That is far worse than a bad law.
    when it comes to the failed drug war, i'll take what i can get. if that stone wall has to be worn down a little at a time, so be it.

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    Re: Obama Plans Broader Use of Clemency to Free Nonviolent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    when it comes to the failed drug war, i'll take what i can get. if that stone wall has to be worn down a little at a time, so be it.
    There are always good reasons to justify whatever you might want. But when it means allowing government licence and discretion of action, be extremely careful.

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    Re: Obama Plans Broader Use of Clemency to Free Nonviolent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    This is a good first step. No one should be rotting in prison for this stuff while we work to decriminalize (in my opinion legalize would be the ultimate goal) drug possession and use.
    A good first step would be to make the laws such that they do not criminalize the activity. This is a populist easy way out. Not at all good precedent.

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    Re: Obama Plans Broader Use of Clemency to Free Nonviolent Drug Offenders

    It occurred to me this morning that it could be argued Obama was testing the water with his small toe: release just a few nonviolent drug offenders and see if the country loses its mind or if the general sentiment is one of approval. It could be the first step in a larger campaign.

    Although the discussion hasn't had a chance to get really loud and stupid yet, this opinion post from a year ago on Foxnews could suggest that obama could find more allies than foes in a larger effort to bring the War on Drugs into a national dialogue.

    Obama is right to grant drug offenders clemency | Fox News

    In my opinion, this Obama clemency initiative is very wise and should be just the beginning of re-examining the horrors visited upon many thousands of defendants and their families when rigid, draconian sentences were handed out to them like candy – often without much, if any, regard for mitigating circumstances like drug dependency or severe psychiatric symptoms.

    Let me be clear: For years, our federal courts acted without empathy for drug defendants and ruined their lives, when their lives could have been salvaged. And this was a terrible sin.
    If you disagree with that, by the way, ask yourself how many members of Congress would agree to go under oath and testify to never having used marijuana, cocaine or opiate pain relievers without a prescription. I would bet less than half. What’s more, I believe if you were to drug test members of Congress randomly today and insist on resignations from those testing positive, several would be packing their bags by noon.

    None of this means drugs are good. They are a plague. Using them is self-destructive, and selling them contributes to the destruction of others. But no attempt to control an evil ought be evil itself. And our federal drug laws were – and, in some measure, still are – exactly that.

    President Obama granting clemency to hundreds or thousands of drug offenders convicted of no violent crime will be a beginning toward rebalancing the scales of justice – but just a beginning

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    Re: Obama Plans Broader Use of Clemency to Free Nonviolent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    A good first step would be to make the laws such that they do not criminalize the activity. This is a populist easy way out. Not at all good precedent.
    Unless, as I suggested, the test was to test public reaction on smaller scale first.

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