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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Sure. Of course by moving there he is implying that he'll be following their laws. Wonder where one can move without laws.....Hmm...IS there such a place?
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Sure. Of course by moving there he is implying that he'll be following their laws. Wonder where one can move without laws.....Hmm...IS there such a place?
    A deserted island?

    Oh...wait...he'll still have to follow the laws of nature. That might pose a problem if he doesn't give his consent to those laws.
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Are you still living here in this country? If yes then you are giving an implied consent to follow the laws. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Have you even attempted to move out of this country? If no then you are most definitely giving implied consent to follow the laws. You have a choice to follow our laws or not. But only two. Either stay in this country and follow them or get out so you don't have to follow them.

    No society has to have your permission to enact laws and enforce those laws on you. You're not that important to be above the law.
    I lived in France for a while and hated the ****ing place. lol.

    And I don't buy into the social contract theory.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    ...And I don't buy into the social contract theory.
    Out of curiosity then, what IS your theory in this regard?
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I lived in France for a while and hated the ****ing place. lol.

    And I don't buy into the social contract theory.
    That's ok. It doesn't have to have you buy into it. It will still be in effect anyways.
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Out of curiosity then, what IS your theory in this regard?
    I think it's dishonest to call something a contract without agreement, and I find the notion that people consent to government because of where they live just tyrannical nonsense. What if I apply this logic to other things? What if I give everyone that lives in the city a car and charge them lets say $40,000 for it, and if they don't want the car, well, all they do is move out of the city. If however they decide to stay in the city then they must pay the $40,000 dollars for the car and If they decide to not pay then I will send my goans out to their house and throw them in my cage. After all, when they decided to stay in the city they agreed to pay the $40,000 for the car that I can't prove they wanted in the first place.

    I think if you can't prove that someone agreed to your governance then you're just a tyrant.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Are you still living here in this country? If yes then you are giving an implied consent to follow the laws. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Have you even attempted to move out of this country? If no then you are most definitely giving implied consent to follow the laws. You have a choice to follow our laws or not. But only two. Either stay in this country and follow them or get out so you don't have to follow them.

    No society has to have your permission to enact laws and enforce those laws on you. You're not that important to be above the law.
    It's great you have a club you enjoy, but I would rather not be member of it and I don't think it's valid to tell me to move.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I think it's dishonest to call something a contract without agreement, and I find the notion that people consent to government because of where they live just tyrannical nonsense. What if I apply this logic to other things? What if I give everyone that lives in the city a car and charge them lets say $40,000 for it, and if they don't want the car, well, all they do is move out of the city. If however they decide to stay in the city then they must pay the $40,000 dollars for the car and If they decide to not pay then I will send my goans out to their house and throw them in my cage. After all, when they decided to stay in the city they agreed to pay the $40,000 for the car that I can't prove they wanted in the first place.

    I think if you can't prove that someone agreed to your governance then you're just a tyrant.
    Hmm,

    Before I respond I'd like to ask a couple of questions.

    1. Do you reside in the United States? If not, I have no further questions because I am not familiar enough with foreign laws to address the issue with you.

    2. If so, is it because you were born in the U.S.A. or are you just a foreign visitor or permanent resident?

    3.If you were born here, do you consider yourself a citizen or not?

    3. If you do consider yourself a citizen with all the privileges and immunities, why would you think you must agree personally with the laws, rules, and regulations enacted by elected representatives before they can apply to you?
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Hmm,

    Before I respond I'd like to ask a couple of questions.

    1. Do you reside in the United States? If not, I have no further questions because I am not familiar enough with foreign laws to address the issue with you.

    2. If so, is it because you were born in the U.S.A. or are you just a foreign visitor or permanent resident?

    3.If you were born here, do you consider yourself a citizen or not?

    3. If you do consider yourself a citizen with all the privileges and immunities, why would you think you must agree personally with the laws, rules, and regulations enacted by elected representatives before they can apply to you?
    1. Yes.

    2. Born

    3. I would rather not be a citizen of the US, but technically I am.

    4. I'm not sure how to answer that question. It's really just a matter of fact that I'm a citizen of the US. I didn't ask for it, I didn't want it, and I have to pay to get rid of it. I never asked for any protections, privileges, immunities or anything else from the government. They gave me what they wanted and they restricted me in whatever way they wanted to. Do I want their protection, privileges or immunities? Absolutely not. Maybe if they were more responsive towards me I would consent, but as it stands I consider them corrupt and completely out of control.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    1. Yes.

    2. Born

    3. I would rather not be a citizen of the US, but technically I am.

    4. I'm not sure how to answer that question. It's really just a matter of fact that I'm a citizen of the US. I didn't ask for it, I didn't want it, and I have to pay to get rid of it. I never asked for any protections, privileges, immunities or anything else from the government. They gave me what they wanted and they restricted me in whatever way they wanted to. Do I want their protection, privileges or immunities? Absolutely not. Maybe if they were more responsive towards me I would consent, but as it stands I consider them corrupt and completely out of control.
    Well, I am not sure what you mean about the costs, but all that is required is: Renunciation of U.S. Nationality

    "ELEMENTS OF RENUNCIATION

    A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

    1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,

    2. in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and

    3. sign an oath of renunciation

    Renunciations that do not meet the conditions described above have no legal effect. Because of the provisions of Section 349(a)(5), U.S. citizens cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or while in the United States. In fact, U.S. courts have held certain attempts to renounce U.S. citizenship to be ineffective on a variety of grounds, as discussed below.

    REQUIREMENT - RENOUNCE ALL RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES

    a person seeking to renounce U.S. citizenship must renounce all the rights and privileges associated with such citizenships. In the case of Colon v. U.S. Department of State , 2 F.Supp.2d 43 (1998),the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia rejected Colon’s petition for a writ of mandamus directing the Secretary of State to approve a Certificate of Loss of Nationality in the case because he wanted to retain the right to live in the United States while claiming he was not a U.S. citizen."

    All you have to do is cross the border into either Canada or Mexico, locate the closest U.S. Consulate, and follow steps 1 thru 3 above. NOTE: when you do that you are no longer permitted to return to or reside in the U.S.A. unless you file for permission under the Immigration codes. If you do, you are then bound by all the laws while you reside in the U.S.A.

    I suggest you liquidate all of your assets, rent a deposit box in your chosen country, and ferry cash in the authorized amount of no more than $10,000 at a time into it before you renounce.

    What happens to you as a citizen of no nation after that? I guess that depends on the country you find yourself in.
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