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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Chase View Post
    To me, this statement by anyonmus cops is part of the problem.

    "Male OFFICER did a GREAT job. He kept a good offense going but maintained distance at the same time. He knew he couldn't get into a ground fight with the animal and leave himself exposed to the gang around him, and he also knew he was fighting ALL ALONE"

    For one, why would he refer to this guy as an animal? If a cop thinks the people that he is sworn to protect and serve are animals....he has little to no respect for those same people. Second, what "gang" is he referring to. I only watched the video once but I don't remember seeing a "gang" of people around. Except for the "gang" of cops that showed up.

    I feel sorry for the people that are in that anonymous cops beat. I hope they are not black.
    Its amazing what you think are the issues here.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    No, I am relying on what I saw in the video. See?
    Okay. Well, I was relying on what you wrote, which was:

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    The article about the video indicates the witness who filmed it says the citizen had an ordinary pocket knife.
    See?

    Anyway, I have to admit I must have blinked when the knife appeared in the video. Either that or I need a microscope to see it. How long was it? Did it have a button with a spring by chance?
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Okay. Well, I was relying on what you wrote, which was:



    See?

    Anyway, I have to admit I must have blinked when the knife appeared in the video. Either that or I need a microscope to see it. How long was it? Did it have a button with a spring by chance?
    Listen to the video and when you get to timeframe 17 - 23 you hear the person shooting the video (identified in the article as a friend walking with the arrestee) raise the issue about a knife. Where is this knife?

    If the officer already had possession of it prior to the incident, why didn't he state (as required) that the citizen was under arrest and declare the charge?

    The point I made about so many arrests in NYC for pocket knives is a well-known fact to New Yorkers, including myself as a former resident. Don't believe me?

    I-Team: Many Knife Arrests in New York City, Few Convictions | NBC New York
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Under the Second Amendment, there is no reason for a knife to be illegal. You have a right to be armed, and nowhere does it say that it must be a firearm.
    Okay, well, I'm guessing if he'd invoked his Second Amendment rights the end result still would have involved him ending up in an ambulance with multiple criminal charges pending.
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    If the officer already had possession of it prior to the incident, why didn't he state (as required) that the citizen was under arrest and declare the charge?
    I don't know that he had possession of it. It's possible the officer wants to frisk the guy because he has reason to suspect that he does have a knife but the suspect isn't cooperating in the officer's attempt to frisk him. I just can't tell at this point, but I notice the officer doesn't grab his cuffs until he encounters resistance from the guy. So it's possible the officer didn't make a decision to arrest him until that point. Regardless of whether the cop was within his rights to act as he did, it wasn't wise for the citizen to behave as he did. That's really the only point I want to make with this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    The point I made about so many arrests in NYC for pocket knives is a well-known fact to New Yorkers, including myself as a former resident. Don't believe me?

    I-Team: Many Knife Arrests in New York City, Few Convictions | NBC New York
    No, I believe this kind of thing happens. Whether it did in this case or not I can't say because I don't have all of the facts. But from what I can see the citizen became uncooperative and combative when the cop appeared to request a pat-down search. Big mistake.
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    No, I believe this kind of thing happens. Whether it did in this case or not I can't say because I don't have all of the facts. But from what I can see the citizen became uncooperative and combative when the cop appeared to request a pat-down search. Big mistake.
    Well, I made that very point, which perhaps you missed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    My problem with this is that the arrest was not really justified, at least by the evidence in this video...


    HOWEVER, the act of resisting arrest was wrong...


    ...The officer's use of force here was in keeping with the law.
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If you want to throw me in that hell I will attempt to kill you. Your only choices are to either subdue me or kill me because I sure as hell am not going freely.
    Are you still living here in this country? If yes then you are giving an implied consent to follow the laws. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Have you even attempted to move out of this country? If no then you are most definitely giving implied consent to follow the laws. You have a choice to follow our laws or not. But only two. Either stay in this country and follow them or get out so you don't have to follow them.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Are you still living here in this country? If yes then you are giving an implied consent to follow the laws. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Have you even attempted to move out of this country? If no then you are most definitely giving implied consent to follow the laws. You have a choice to follow our laws or not. But only two. Either stay in this country and follow them or get out so you don't have to follow them.

    No society has to have your permission to enact laws and enforce those laws on you. You're not that important to be above the law.
    Well, he can always consult with CanadaJohn about emigrating to Canada, if he ever feels the need to escape laws he doesn't think apply to him,,, eh?
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Well, I made that very point, which perhaps you missed?
    No, I saw it, but this is DebatePolitics. It isn't much of a debate for me to say "Thanks for agreeing with me" now, is it?
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Well, he can always consult with CanadaJohn about emigrating to Canada, if he ever feels the need to escape laws he doesn't think apply to him,,, eh?
    Sure. Of course by moving there he is implying that he'll be following their laws. Wonder where one can move without laws.....Hmm...IS there such a place?
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