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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I don't consent to being a member of your organization then I don't consent to its rules. It's pretty straight forward.
    Tough crap. If you are in a country, you abide by that country's rules... they are called laws. Don't like it, move to where there are no laws. Till then, your BS notion that killing cops enforcing laws as acceptable is just ridiculously childish tripe.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Tough crap. If you are in a country, you abide by that country's rules... they are called laws. Don't like it, move to where there are no laws. Till then, your BS notion that killing cops enforcing laws as acceptable is just ridiculously childish tripe.
    You can call your rules by any name you want, but at the end of the day they are just rules that were established by an organization that I don't want to be a member of.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You can call your rules by any name you want, but at the end of the day they are just rules that were established by an organization that I don't want to be a member of.
    That organization is called America and those rules are called laws. There is a way to not be a member of it. Why aren't you taking it?
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    That organization is called America. There is a way to not be a member of it. Why aren't you taking it?
    Because either I have to be a member of another organization or I'm governed but seen as stateless. Neither choice really does much to resolve the problem.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Because either I have to be a member of another organization or I'm governed but seen as stateless. Neither choice really does much to resolve the problem.
    What exactly is the problem?
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Okay, in my state (Mississippi) you can own any knife and openly carry it or carry it in your vehicle, but I would not carry ANY knife, even a pocket knife, concealed on my person for the reasons outlined in the article you linked. What the article described is unjust and a misapplication of the law, but that's something for the New York legislature and courts to address. If they're not doing it and the law continues to be misinterpreted or misapplied then maybe it's time for some civil rights lawsuits.

    But, once again, the issue in this thread when is it appropriate to resist arrest? My answer is never.
    Fair enough -- and thanks for reading the article I linked. I don't agree, however, that it's never appropriate to resist. Open, peaceful resistance is one of the most effective ways to encourage social change. I certainly don't intend to hold up the man in this video as a Gandhi-like freedom fighter, but I empathize with his frustation. I find his treatment and the law behind it unjust, and I think it does take a certain amount of courage to stand up against misapplied authority. Most importantly however, I think the burden of justification should lie with the state and its actors. America was founded on defiance of authority, and our constitution was crafted to restrain authority. To me, it's pretty clear cut: You should be able to carry a knife, and you should be able to walk home unmolested. People are right to resist this type of treatment.

    This may not be Thoreau's ideal of passive resistance on display, but neither is the haymaker-throwing officer some beacon of justice.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Open, peaceful resistance is one of the most effective ways to encourage social change.
    In that case, what you do is get the biggest number of people you can to hold a rally and announce that they're carrying little pocket knives, and then dare the cops to arrest them. When it come time to get hauled off, just drop to your knees and go limp, like so many protesters have done in the past. Whatever you do, though, do not fight back! But I think the best thing to do would be to find some worthy defendants and follow the Thurgood Marshall approach: Make a federal case out of it on constitutional grounds. If nothing else, it should get someone's attention, but it's entirely possible you'd win.
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    This may have cleared some issues up.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    In that case, what you do is get the biggest number of people you can to hold a rally and announce that they're carrying little pocket knives, and then dare the cops to arrest them. When it come time to get hauled off, just drop to your knees and go limp, like so many protesters have done in the past. Whatever you do, though, do not fight back! But I think the best thing to do would be to find some worthy defendants and follow the Thurgood Marshall approach: Make a federal case out of it on constitutional grounds. If nothing else, it should get someone's attention, but it's entirely possible you'd win.
    I agree with this. That's exactly how passive resistance is supposed to work: Publicly provoke and then accept the arrest.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    This may have cleared some issues up.

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    Oh. So you shouldn't pontificate the question and if answering the question may actually benefit society? You know like: "have you seen this man." Or "have you seen this child." Or "did you hear anyone arguing at this time last night?"

    **** me! I swear people just don't understand that one size responses NEVER fit all.

    But what would I know? I've been asked questions by police and answered questions for them.
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