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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    I have seen the video and it seems that the officer did act in a somewhat questionable manner, but I still come back to my argument that I have used several times before. The best way to fight a police officer is in the court room, not on the street. On the street, you don't have a chance, in a court room, you have the right to defend yourself and there are plenty of referee's keeping it fair.
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by JFish123 View Post
    Some people just need to be shot to learn a lesson. If EVERYONE just did what the cops told them, instead if this pompous bs no one would die or get shot
    I'm sorry, but that's just cowardice. Just submit to abusive authority, huh?

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I have seen the video and it seems that the officer did act in a somewhat questionable manner, but I still come back to my argument that I have used several times before. The best way to fight a police officer is in the court room, not on the street. On the street, you don't have a chance, in a court room, you have the right to defend yourself and there are plenty of referee's keeping it fair.
    It's a fair point, but we should at least challenge the notion that police can detain and then assault a citizen who was -- for some undetermined reason -- suspected of a misdemeanor. The people cheering on the assault of a citizen should be ashamed.

    If the guy had slugged the cop, these same people justifying the cop's actions would support shooting the citizen in self-defense. Personally, I espouse a different standard: If you, as an officer imbued with state authority, lay a hand on a citizen, you should be made to justify it fully. The burden of proof should ALWAYS be on the state.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    It's a fair point, but we should at least challenge the notion that police can detain and then assault a citizen who was -- for some undetermined reason -- suspected of a misdemeanor. The people cheering on the assault of a citizen should be ashamed.

    If the guy had slugged the cop, these same people justifying the cop's actions would support shooting the citizen in self-defense. Personally, I espouse a different standard: If you, as an officer imbued with state authority, lay a hand on a citizen, you should be made to justify it fully. The burden of proof should ALWAYS be on the state.
    That can be done in court very easily. Especially with technology where it is today. The whole incident was being filmed, at that point, he should have just complied with the officer and then take his evidence to court and make his case.
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    That can be done in court very easily. Especially with technology where it is today. The whole incident was being filmed, at that point, he should have just complied with the officer and then take his evidence to court and make his case.
    Being detained and arrested is a hardship regardless. I'm against officers detaining citizens without cause. I find the actions of this officer to be overbearing and, ultimately, abusive. Regardless, you're right that not resisting is probably in the guy's best interest, but there needs to be a serious upgrade in police accountability in this country. We shouldn't just tolerate this kind of harassment.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Being detained and arrested is a hardship regardless. I'm against officers detaining citizens without cause. I find the actions of this officer to be overbearing and, ultimately, abusive. Regardless, you're right that not resisting is probably in the guy's best interest, but there needs to be a serious upgrade in police accountability in this country. We shouldn't just tolerate this kind of harassment.
    You are correct, unlawful detentions should be addressed, but you, as a citizen on the street are not to take the law into your own hand and determine what is and is not a lawful detention. That is the whole purpose of having a judicial system. A unlawful or lawful detention is not labeled as such until after a court case determines it. If you have the opinion that you have ben unlawfully detained and have evidence to back that up, you take it to court. You don't fight with the officer on the side of the road. Comply, and take your issues up with the court or file a complaint.
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You are correct, unlawful detentions should be addressed, but you, as a citizen on the street are not to take the law into your own hand and determine what is and is not a lawful detention. That is the whole purpose of having a judicial system. A unlawful or lawful detention is not labeled as such until after a court case determines it. If you have the opinion that you have ben unlawfully detained and have evidence to back that up, you take it to court. You don't fight with the officer on the side of the road. Comply, and take your issues up with the court or file a complaint.
    I pretty much agree. The guy should fight the charges in court, not in the street. He should have filed complaints and, if he had the resources, sue the officer, the department and the city.

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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Why follow the idiot? To have sufficient non-lethal force to subdue him without engaging in a fistfight on the street where you put lives in danger. What if the guy had grabbed the cop's gun, for example?
    I saw the video on FaceBook and my first thought was "What did the guy do to get arrested?" The cop asked him for his ID which he handed over without complaint. And then when the cop put his ID in is pocket and wouldn't give it back, that's when things began to turn ugly.

    At no point did the cop inform the guy why he was being arrested (at least not that I heard anyway). Now, I understand the arguments that says that resisting arrest starts the moment the citizen refuses to comply with the police officer's instructions to submit to his authority, but under what grounds did the cop have the authority to restrain the guy? Again, what did he do?

    From what I saw of the video, the man did NOTHING that justified being arrested. He defended himself against the cop's aggressive actions as the cop assaulted him, not the other way around. Frankly, I would have resisted too if a cop simply walks up to me, asks me for my ID, stashes it in his pocket and refuses to return it to me and then insists that I submit to his authority without informing me why I'm being arrested (not to mention never reading me my rights).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    So if you don't like it when a cop asks to frisk you because he tells you he thought you had a knife you're supposed to curse at him, try to walk away, engage in a fist fight with him, and have your cheering section taunt him with a cellphone camera?
    Wait a minute...

    Let's get it straight. The cop threw the first punch. The guy did everything he could not to make physical contact with the police officer.

    And NO! I'm not going to just submit to an allegation that I had a weapon on me when no one not even the police actually saw it - at least not without first having the situation explained to me as to why you want me to submit to a pat down. That's unlawful search and seizure followed by unlawful arrest. BTW: Wasn't stop and frisk halted in NYC recently anyway?
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I have seen the video and it seems that the officer did act in a somewhat questionable manner, but I still come back to my argument that I have used several times before. The best way to fight a police officer is in the court room, not on the street. On the street, you don't have a chance, in a court room, you have the right to defend yourself and there are plenty of referee's keeping it fair.
    That's the point I've been trying to make. Once the officer made a decision to cuff him, Mr. George should have cooperated. Instead, he ended up in an ambulance with multiple charges. In the old days he would have been knocked unconscious with a baton or blackjack.
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    Re: Video Shows Man Getting Punched by Cop After Resisting Arrest in Harlem

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Let's get it straight. The cop threw the first punch. The guy did everything he could not to make physical contact with the police officer.
    There's a point in the video in which Mr. George says he's not afraid of the cop. Sounds like a threat. Also, I noticed that just before we see the plainclothes officer swing at Mr. George, all we see is the sidewalk and feet. So we don't see what transpires between the two at that point. In any case, it seems to me once Mr. George resisted arrest the officer was entitled to use non-lethal force, including punches, to detain him. He's lucky this was't in the 1960s or '70s. His head would have been split open with a truncheon. Fortunately, most people knew then to keep their mouths shut and cooperate.
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