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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Proud of my church. Although, I'm pretty sure some Episcopal Churches have already been doing this for a while.
    When I went to Catholic school, we always refered to the Episcopalians as the wealthy Catholics (because they used birth control) but without the inscense! Good on the Episcopals!
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    When I went to Catholic school, we always refered to the Episcopalians as the wealthy Catholics (because they used birth control) but without the inscense! Good on the Episcopals!
    Episcopal Churches use incense as well in Mass / Liturgy. You are right about them being "wealthy Catholics" though. They are easily the most blue blooded denomination.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The final word will be that of God. Most of us who believe agree to that.
    True enough. And if it was clear to honest, well meaning people, what that final word will be, we'd have only one religion, but we have thousands of variations. They duty, IMO, we owe each other is to respect those differences unless and until society attempts to impose a particular viewpoint on the rest of us.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    As a side note, one could argue that it is our unofficial state church as the Episcopal Church (a member of the Anglican Communion) was founded by some of our founding fathers...
    And here all along I thought that the Episcopal Church was founded by the Church of England, but the Americans changed the name to the "Protestant Episcopal Church" after that unpleasantness back in 1776.

    That all said, if you don't like the fact that the Episcopalians are extending the sacrament of marriage to same sex couples, then don't go to an Episcopal Church.
    Fine for you to say, it sucks for the tens of thousands of faithful Episcopalians who have supported the Church all of their lives. The Episcopal Church's silliness has already driven whole diocese away with it's silliness "Remember all that stuff we told you before? Well, forget that." I hope the faithful continue to leave in droves and take their money with them.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Yes, and please tell us how someone "interprets" that SSM is a-okay in the Bible.
    You should address that to Episcopalian leaders and clergy and policy makers, not me. I'm just noting those interpretations exist. It wasn't long ago a great many Christians believed interracial marriages were contrary to God's law and that the subordination of blacks was consistent with God's will. I will give those who held those views the benefit of the doubt that they were sincerely held and rooted in a genuine desire to worship according to their reading of the Bible.

    So what does that mean? That people of good will and a legitimate desire to follow God's will as outlined in the Bible can and do read the Bible and interpret it differently. I don't intend to try to prove who is 'right' and who is 'wrong.'

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    And here all along I thought that the Episcopal Church was founded by the Church of England, but the Americans changed the name to the "Protestant Episcopal Church" after that unpleasantness back in 1776.
    They split from the Anglican Church (remained in the communion) and founded the Episcopal Church.

    Fine for you to say, it sucks for the tens of thousands of faithful Episcopalians who have supported the Church all of their lives. The Episcopal Church's silliness has already driven whole diocese away with it's silliness "Remember all that stuff we told you before? Well, forget that." I hope the faithful continue to leave in droves and take their money with them.
    If you are a social conservative, then you are probably not an Episcopalian. Sure the church has last members over the last few decades, but so has every other denomination other than those that benefit from increased membership due to immigration. Why would you hope for the church to fail due to further declining membership? That seems like a fairly mean spirited position to me.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You should address that to Episcopalian leaders and clergy and policy makers, not me. I'm just noting those interpretations exist. It wasn't long ago a great many Christians believed interracial marriages were contrary to God's law and that the subordination of blacks was consistent with God's will. I will give those who held those views the benefit of the doubt that they were sincerely held and rooted in a genuine desire to worship according to their reading of the Bible.

    So what does that mean? That people of good will and a legitimate desire to follow God's will as outlined in the Bible can and do read the Bible and interpret it differently. I don't intend to try to prove who is 'right' and who is 'wrong.'
    It is a myth that " a great many Christians believed interracial marriages were contrary to God's law."

    People are free to believe whatever they wish. My point is, there is no Biblical basis for SSM. "Christians" who support it, are doing so in direct contradiction to the teachings they allegedly base their faith on.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Yes, and please tell us how someone "interprets" that SSM is a-okay in the Bible.
    It goes "We need butts in the pews because we'really running out of money".

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I should have let the comment slide. One of the great things about the U.S. is we all get to practice our religion according to our own beliefs and consciences. I really have no interest in debating whose interpretation of the 100s of religions and 1,000s of sects is the correct one. The Episcopalians are one of those thousands. Good for them in my view. Others who have different views have many others to choose from.
    you didn't answer my question please show me the verse and scripture that says gay marriage is ok.
    no Episcopalians follow the bible so please backup your claim.

    I will be waiting for verse and scripture.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    It is a myth that " a great many Christians believed interracial marriages were contrary to God's law."
    Then how did laws prohibiting it become law? The people supporting those laws were almost universally at least nominal Christians, large percentages of them weekly church goers, I'd guess nearly all the elected leaders were regular church members and all of them Christians. It's how it was for most of our history. Have you read some of the legal opinions supporting prohibitions? They were based on a reading of the Bible. E.g.

    The Lovings were charged under Section 20-58 of the Virginia Code, which prohibited interracial couples from being married out of state and then returning to Virginia, and Section 20-59, which classified miscegenation as a felony, punishable by a prison sentence of between one and five years. The trial judge in the case, Leon M. Bazile, echoing Johann Friedrich Blumenbach's 18th-century interpretation of race, wrote:

    Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.
    If you want to quibble over the meaning of "great many" then fine, but the trial judge clearly was expressing a sentiment that held broad approval by the people and the elected leaders, and the vast majority of those were "Christians."

    People are free to believe whatever they wish. My point is, there is no Biblical basis for SSM. "Christians" who support it, are doing so in direct contradiction to the teachings they allegedly base their faith on.
    What can I say. Others read that same Bible and come to different conclusions. Same as others read that same Bible and found support for white supremacy, slavery, and prohibitions against interracial marriage. On something completely unrelated, I bet you don't agree with those in my area who handle snakes. But I KNOW they believe their interpretation of the Bible is correct - they're willing to die on that belief, and often do die, only to have their sons take over the role of snake handler.

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