We aren't the only creatures on earth that breathe. Nor were we even close to the first.Originally Posted by WCH
We aren't the only creatures on earth that breathe. Nor were we even close to the first.
"A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)
Just to name a few
A liberal church going against the bible? No way...
No. The words used indicate live child. The word for miscarriage or dead child is explicitly and deliberately excluded. In order for the terms to include cases of miscarriage they would have to mean something in this verse that they meant nowhere else in the New Testament.
They did use Yeled - specifically the noun form, used to annotate live births in the OT (Gen 21:8, Exodus 2:3, Ruth 4:16, Isaiah 9:6).If they wanted the fine to apply only to premature births, they would have used the verb form of yeled
There is no inclusion of miscarriage or dead children until you or someone else puts it there - it is eisegetical.
Well, only to the extent that it demands the life of the killer in return.
This is wrong, for the reasons i posted
And again you make my case. If they wanted to indicate that only premature (ie live) births were fined, they would have used "yeled"They did use Yeled - specifically the noun form, used to annotate live births in the OT (Gen 21:8, Exodus 2:3, Ruth 4:16, Isaiah 9:6).
Actually, the Bible contains many examples where the life that was taken was not the criminals' or the sinners', but an innocent member of their family instead
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That is incorrect - the author had the option to include miscarriages, and chose not to.
And again you make my case. If they wanted to indicate that only premature (ie live) births were fined, they would have used "yeled"they did.
No doubt. The Bible records all manner of abuses and sins - it is not a tale of perfect people, but of God's plan for a broken humanity.Actually, the Bible contains many examples where the life that was taken was not the criminals' or the sinners', but an innocent member of their family instead
You're repeating yourself.That is incorrect - the author had the option to include miscarriages, and chose not to.
Boring
Umm, I was talking about God killing innocent people (including children) for the crimes of othersNo doubt. The Bible records all manner of abuses and sins - it is not a tale of perfect people, but of God's plan for a broken humanity.
I have demonstrated where the text shows you to be incorrect. You insisted on putting a word in there that isn't in the text. It's as if I were to add "and also 21st century American leftism" to a list of sinners somewhere to "prove" that we need to elect Mike Huckabee or something to the Presidency - the fact that I'm having to add it to the text means it's not in the text.
With all of the encouragement of god to kill children and entire towns and rape women, etc.......... I don't recall there being a demand after he told them to do so to go ahead and kill off those following his commands.
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