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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is incorrect. There is a word explicitly for miscarry in the Hebrew (shachol) that is found nowhere in this section. Another word which might have demonstrated your point, but does not due to its' lack is the word for stillborn (instead of a living) child, which is nephel. To add the verbiage "or miscarries" is an eisegetical attempt to input a term that the author had access to, but clearly did not intend to use.
    The word is "yatsa" which literally means to "lose her offspring" - it obviously includes miscarriages. It does not use shacho because miscarriage is not the only possible consequence of an assault on a pregnant woman
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Lots of intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent scripture there.
    How is the Bible "homophobic?" You have no way of knowing that its prohibition of homosexual acts as sinful, thousands of years ago, was any more the product of irrational fear than the Bible's prohibition of many other acts as sinful was. I think you are just using that neologism to slander people who refuse to lead cheers for pseudo-liberals' pet grievance groups, just as "Islamophobic," "xenophobic," etc are used for that same purpose.

    The goal is to spread the belief, by repeating a catchy word, that homosexual conduct is so clearly virtuous that opposition to it can only be the result of irrational animosity--that it cannot simply arise from a religious conviction that that conduct is wrong. But anyone could just as easily try to make opposition to adult incest or polygamy illegitimate, by branding people who oppose those activities as "incestophobes," or "polygaphobes," and repeating it ad infinitum.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not according to the bible...As I said there are many passages speaking against homosexuality as "immoral, depraved, and an abomination".... You may not like it, but it's there.
    This is true....

    But it is also true that there are a long list of other passages supporting other ideas that we find deplorable in modern society as well. You want to own the idea that Homosexuality is immoral depraved and an abomination, you can own the bible passages that are deplorable in other areas as well.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    And I will wonder if the "separation of church and state" crowd will be offended that Christian churches are meddling in public policy issues. Many churches support SSM and have for some time yet the only complaining about religious meddling in public policy comes from progressives against only those churches opposed to SSM.
    If a particular religion supports freedom of the individual than it is fine.

    If a particular religion seeks to prevent legal freedoms of the individual based upon its own doctrine, then that is wrong.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    If a particular religion supports freedom of the individual than it is fine.

    If a particular religion seeks to prevent legal freedoms of the individual based upon its own doctrine, then that is wrong.
    If a particular religion support the freedom of the individual to steal and murder, a la ISIS, it is fine. And if a particular religion seeks to prevent legal freedom of thief and murder based upon it's own doctrine, it is wrong.

    If a particular religion support the freedom of the individual to destroy the environment it is fine. And if a particular religion seeks to prevent legal freedom to destroy the environment based upon it's own doctrine, it is wrong.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    This is true....

    But it is also true that there are a long list of other passages supporting other ideas that we find deplorable in modern society as well. You want to own the idea that Homosexuality is immoral depraved and an abomination, you can own the bible passages that are deplorable in other areas as well.
    Well, I have many times on these boards said over, and over that I don't have a problem with Homosexuals, so you can stop trying that very dishonest path of calling me homophobic....Second, you must understand that the OT, is separated from the NT, in that the OT while for our learning, is NOT what is literally doctrinal law of the Church, post the death of Jesus Christ on the cross for our sins..We now are in the era of the NT which calls for 2 commandments. 1. Love thy God, and 2. Love thy neighbor....So, your snarky attempt to do little more than call me a name fails miserably.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The one who sticks to what the Bible actually says?

    Just a guess.
    Despite some beliefs, it is not required for a person to follow the Bible or believe it is the absolute truth or even inspired by God to be a Christian. All that is required is to follow the teachings of Christ.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Thou shall not kill has traditionally meant murder as there are plenty of passages supporting killing in self defense. What Im talking about is if a group of self proclaimed Christians went out and murdered people in cold blood specifically because they claimed no where in the Bible is murdering/killing condemned. Would your opinion be that they are still Christians who just have a different view of the Bible?
    Murder is based on laws. So then if there are no laws against killing someone, then you aren't breaking that Commandment.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    If a particular religion support the freedom of the individual to steal and murder, a la ISIS, it is fine. And if a particular religion seeks to prevent legal freedom of thief and murder based upon it's own doctrine, it is wrong.

    If a particular religion support the freedom of the individual to destroy the environment it is fine. And if a particular religion seeks to prevent legal freedom to destroy the environment based upon it's own doctrine, it is wrong.
    I didn't realize I was going to have to give a civics lesson today.

    Anyone's freedom ends at the point that it causes harm to another. Therefore, those are not "Freedoms".

    I guess I will have to go back to writing a god damned novel of "Disclaimers" on all posts in order for people to stop being so god damned nit picky and pathetic.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I have many times on these boards said over, and over that I don't have a problem with Homosexuals, so you can stop trying that very dishonest path of calling me homophobic....Second, you must understand that the OT, is separated from the NT, in that the OT while for our learning, is NOT what is literally doctrinal law of the Church, post the death of Jesus Christ on the cross for our sins..We now are in the era of the NT which calls for 2 commandments. 1. Love thy God, and 2. Love thy neighbor....So, your snarky attempt to do little more than call me a name fails miserably.
    Well, then history has proven that virtually all forms of Christianity have failed.

    Because they have been some of the most hateful people on the planet.

    Inquisitions and Wars to spread Christianity by the sword have plagued nearly a millenia of the last two.

    Every time someone was to be denied a civil right in the country, those supporting that denial have used.... their Christian faith to support their reason for denial.

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