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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

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    That is incorrect. The Old Testament does not have a word for Abortion, but it does have a word for Miscarry. There is no instance of someone willfully miscarrying their own child, in the OT, and so nothing is listed for or against it. The closest we have is that the OT states that if a man harms a pregnant woman so as to cause a premature birth, and lasting harm (the death of the child or the death of the woman) comes from it, he would pay for that with his life.
    No, if the mother dies, the penalty is death. But if the unborn child dies, the penalty is a fine.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

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    You think that the Biblical text does not forbid homosexual conduct, or describe what marriage is supposed to be?
    The Bible does not actually say what you claim it says.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The Bible does not actually say what you claim it says.
    in fact it does. The OT and the NT both describe marriage and how it is to function, and the OT and the NT both forbid homosexual activity.
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in fact it does. The OT and the NT both describe marriage and how it is to function, and the OT and the NT both forbid homosexual activity.
    In fact, the Bible does not actually say what you claim it says.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, if the mother dies, the penalty is death. But if the unborn child dies, the penalty is a fine.
    Exodus 21:22-25 If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no lasting harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any lasting harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.


    It doesn't say you pay a fine if you only kill a child. It says you pay a fine for the premature birth - if any lasting harm follows the premature birth, then you answer accordingly, life for life, eye for eye, etc.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In fact, the Bible does not actually say what you claim it says.
    in fact it does. The OT and the NT both describe marriage and how it is to function, and the OT and the NT both forbid homosexual activity.
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Exodus 21:22-25 If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no lasting harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any lasting harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.


    It doesn't say you pay a fine if you only kill a child. It says you pay a fine for the premature birth - if any lasting harm follows the premature birth, then you answer accordingly, life for life, eye for eye, etc.
    The proper translation of the Hebrew text is not "so that she gives birth prematurely"; It's "so that she gives birth prematurely or miscarries"
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in fact it does.
    In fact, it does not
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The proper translation of the Hebrew text is not "so that she gives birth prematurely"; It's "so that she gives birth prematurely or miscarries"
    That is incorrect. There is a word explicitly for miscarry in the Hebrew (shachol) that is found nowhere in this section. Another word which might have demonstrated your point, but does not due to its' lack is the word for stillborn (instead of a living) child, which is nephel. To add the verbiage "or miscarries" is an eisegetical attempt to input a term that the author had access to, but clearly did not intend to use.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Christians in name only. If you don't adhere to scripture, you're a fake.
    The Bible wasn't meant to be redefined or rewritten...only reread.


    "Man has created God in his own image: Intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent." ~ Marie

    Read all about it in the Old Testament. Lots of intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent scripture there. If you try doing some of the things that it advocates in the USA you'll get locked up.




    "Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
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