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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    marriage <> sex
    Not according to the bible...As I said there are many passages speaking against homosexuality as "immoral, depraved, and an abomination".... You may not like it, but it's there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not according to the bible
    The Bible doesn't "actually say" that "sex is marriage" or that "marriage is sex"
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The Bible doesn't "actually say" that "sex is marriage" or that "marriage is sex"
    I don't think splitting hairs is what the spirit of the passages holds....You may disagree, but that's my opinion.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    And I will wonder if the "separation of church and state" crowd will be offended that Christian churches are meddling in public policy issues. Many churches support SSM and have for some time yet the only complaining about religious meddling in public policy comes from progressives against only those churches opposed to SSM.

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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think splitting hairs is what the spirit of the passages holds....You may disagree, but that's my opinion.
    It was NB who argued about what the Bible "actually says". I merely pointed out that the Bible does not "actually say" anything about same sex marriage.

    You are free to interpret biblical passages however you want to. But that doesn't mean the bible "actually says" those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Which is why the Episcopalians allow SSM
    No - they do that because they decided to forego the text.

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    Is it?
    Yes, it is.

    Some sects, or at least this one, doesn't seem to agree.
    Sure. And there are Americans who swear that the evidence proves that we were secretly attacked by the Mossad on 9/11. The arguments in favor of that are slightly better supported than the claims that the bible isn't clear on homosexual conduct.

    Are they not Christian then? Which Christian is the most Christian of all the Christians? Which one speaks the truth about the Bible?
    the Bible does. There isn't really a "most Christian of all the Christians", though it is possible for some doctrine to be more accurate than others.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It was NB who argued about what the Bible "actually says". I merely pointed out that the Bible does not "actually say" anything about same sex marriage.

    You are free to interpret biblical passages however you want to. But that doesn't mean the bible "actually says" those things.
    Did I say it spoke of Homosexual marriage? No I didn't...In fact in my first post to you I agreed with you that it doesn't...Then we went on to talk of what it does say about homosexuality as a whole, and you are now trying to veer it back, and misrepresent me as though I said something about it speaking to gay marriage....Just remain honest sangha and we will have no problem.
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The ones that don't omit.
    Which are? Whatever ones agree with you? Or is there a list of "correct Christians" out there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the Bible does. There isn't really a "most Christian of all the Christians", though it is possible for some doctrine to be more accurate than others.
    But then there shouldn't be the wide diversity of Christian sect that we see. If it's just the Bible, there seems, at least you are implying that, there is but one interpretation that is "right". So which sect of Christian is right? Why are the others wrong?
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    Re: Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Thou shall not kill has traditionally meant murder as there are plenty of passages supporting killing in self defense. What Im talking about is if a group of self proclaimed Christians went out and murdered people in cold blood specifically because they claimed no where in the Bible is murdering/killing condemned. Would your opinion be that they are still Christians who just have a different view of the Bible?
    Where the holy wars waged by Christianity un-Christian? The crusaders that marched into Muslim territory and went to war? Or was the Childrens Crusade instituted by Christians? Are people who wear mixed fibers un-Christian? Which parts of the OT matter?

    Or is "Christian" just a title you think you get to apply and that all must meet your definition of it? There does appear to be a few here already who act as if they are the final say on who is or isn't Christian (though I would think that to be your god, not any one individual).
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