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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So, again we limit freedom because it will cost us money.
    It is a lot of state money, which is in a government interest, and it doesn't do a whole lot for those involved, nor does doing so offer many protections to the spouses, given the nature of marriage laws and their point. Part of the reason for marriage is to protect the spouse. They get some say in various decisions in the other spouse's life, say that is automatically set up with the marriage license, but set up with other legal paperwork when there is no spouse and that paperwork limits people to only having one person identified as that legal representative. This is at least one law that revolves around a two person only marriage. There is also the matter of parental rights. People in the child's life from pretty much birth do get some rights concerning a child they helped raise, especially if they want to adopt, which legal marriage gives them the right to do. There is also the matter of if there is no limit on how many spouses a person can have, theoretically everyone on Earth could be legally married to everyone else. Also how much privacy within the marriages must be mandated by the law? Can a spouse simply separate from the "family"? Can a spouse with multiple spouses keep the other spouses secret? What then happens if they die? Which spouse takes precedent? If one spouses has 20 other spouses, all hidden from the others, how is the first spouse's assets calculated? As a married person, it is the joint amount between both spouses. What if there is not a will? Does each spouses now get 1/20th of the money? What about the children? What if one or more spouses bring children from previous marriages into the relationship?

    These are but a few of thousands, if not more, questions that pertain to polygamy laws.
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    If anyone wants to get married they should- be it man, woman, multiples, plants or beasts. I dont see how its anyone's business but themselves.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So freedom should be limited to the POSSIBILITY that these marriages may require assistance of Welfare or Social Security?
    He was only asking who cared--it seems to me it has the potential to affect everyone in the country, including me, so of course I care.

    How the issue should be handled is whole 'nuther question!

    My default position is that people should certainly be free to enter into such marriages, but it's probably not in the best interest of the state to recognize them legally. Unfortunately, the SC seems to have created a fundamental right to have marriage relationships recognized by the government, so maybe our hands are tied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    If anyone wants to get married they should- be it man, woman, multiples, plants or beasts. I dont see how its anyone's business but themselves.
    It's not. I'd love to know how these people who are saying "no" to non-traditional marriages would feel if somebody came up to them and said, "Nope. Not gettin' married today. We don't like your choice of partner. Find somebody else and come back later. We'll revisit the conversation then."
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is a lot of state money, which is in a government interest, and it doesn't do a whole lot for those involved, nor does doing so offer many protections to the spouses, given the nature of marriage laws and their point. Part of the reason for marriage is to protect the spouse. They get some say in various decisions in the other spouse's life, say that is automatically set up with the marriage license, but set up with other legal paperwork when there is no spouse and that paperwork limits people to only having one person identified as that legal representative. This is at least one law that revolves around a two person only marriage. There is also the matter of parental rights. People in the child's life from pretty much birth do get some rights concerning a child they helped raise, especially if they want to adopt, which legal marriage gives them the right to do. There is also the matter of if there is no limit on how many spouses a person can have, theoretically everyone on Earth could be legally married to everyone else. Also how much privacy within the marriages must be mandated by the law? Can a spouse simply separate from the "family"? Can a spouse with multiple spouses keep the other spouses secret? What then happens if they die? Which spouse takes precedent? If one spouses has 20 other spouses, all hidden from the others, how is the first spouse's assets calculated? As a married person, it is the joint amount between both spouses. What if there is not a will? Does each spouses now get 1/20th of the money? What about the children? What if one or more spouses bring children from previous marriages into the relationship?

    These are but a few of thousands, if not more, questions that pertain to polygamy laws.
    And nearly all of those questions are still at issue before the court during a typical Divorce or Estate proceeding. And each and every one today with typical marriages are completed on a case by case basis, and it will be no different with polygamy marriages. There is no law set in stone on these types of decisions that has to be re-created due to polygamy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    It's not. I'd love to know how these people who are saying "no" to non-traditional marriages would feel if somebody came up to them and said, "Nope. Not gettin' married today. We don't like your choice of partner. Find somebody else and come back later. We'll revisit the conversation then."
    My state, despite the Republican Governor's veto, decided to overrule him and enact a "Religious Freedom" bull**** law for magistrates to refuse to issue marriage licenses based on "deeply held religious beliefs"..

    Im waiting for that one troll magistrate to refuse to issue a marriage license based upon "deeply held religious beliefs" to a man/woman couple attempting to get married......

    That **** would make my day.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    My state, despite the Republican Governor's veto, decided to overrule him and enact a "Religious Freedom" bull**** law for magistrates to refuse to issue marriage licenses based on "deeply held religious beliefs"..

    Im waiting for that one troll magistrate to refuse to issue a marriage license based upon "deeply held religious beliefs" to a man/woman couple attempting to get married......

    That **** would make my day.
    Why? All he needs to do is say, "yes, we can take care of that for you today" then switch places with the person standing next to him who has no such belief. Then everybody crosses their fingers and hopes that the world doesn't suddenly end.

    If that's the sort of thing that makes your day, just wait till you finish painting that first room and then get watch it all dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    So that's what marriage is all about? It's just about a bunch of legal "benefits"? Then why was everyone so opposed to civil unions?
    I think it was. Inheritance, and hospital decisions required a couple to be married. That was a big problem for Gays during the AIDS epidemic.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    My state, despite the Republican Governor's veto, decided to overrule him and enact a "Religious Freedom" bull**** law for magistrates to refuse to issue marriage licenses based on "deeply held religious beliefs"..

    Im waiting for that one troll magistrate to refuse to issue a marriage license based upon "deeply held religious beliefs" to a man/woman couple attempting to get married......

    That **** would make my day.
    Would certainly make the news, wouldn't it?
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And nearly all of those questions are still at issue before the court during a typical Divorce or Estate proceeding. And each and every one today with typical marriages are completed on a case by case basis, and it will be no different with polygamy marriages. There is no law set in stone on these types of decisions that has to be re-created due to polygamy.
    No, most of those questions are not any significant issues for the court in most divorce cases or estate proceedings. If there is no will, assets go to the spouse, so long as there is no evidence that it should go to somewhere else (something shady going on). There is little question about who is supposed to have the right to medical decisions or death decisions for a married person. These are things set in place with a legal marriage, that are only changed, vary for certain people because those people want specifically to have them changed.

    Hell, one of them is absolutely specific to only being necessary to know if we did allow people to have more than one spouse. Would each spouse have to agree to a new spouse their spouse takes on?

    In the military, if I plan to leave anyone else besides my spouse my base pay, death/missing benefits, life insurance, my husband has to agree to it because I'm married.
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