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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Nor would anybody be discriminated against or their civil liberties lost if gay couples simply stayed home and stopped asking for stuff.
    That's a rather bigoted comment, don't you think?

    But, since they've all got a right to be there, we may as well follow the law and accommodate those with sincere beliefs the best we can while making sure the office provides all services required of it.
    I suspect the vast majority of people in this country are perfectly capable of separating their religious belief from their job. So I see no reason why the government should accommodate those few government employees that can't. Using religion to discriminate and oppress another group people is not a government protected right for anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That's a rather bigoted comment, don't you think?

    I suspect the vast majority of people in this country are perfectly capable of separating their religious belief from their job. So I see no reason why the government should accommodate those few government employees that can't. Using religion to discriminate and oppress another group people is not a government protected right for anyone.
    Not to mention Christians have been violating their own religious tenements for decades before, without a blink of an eye.

    Remarriage after divorce to a different woman is a sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Not to mention Christians have been violating their own religious tenements for decades before, without a blink of an eye.

    Remarriage after divorce to a different woman is a sin.
    It is only a sin for the spouse that broke vows to cause the divorce.

    I'm just reading through this thread and almost laughing at what is being called progress. This country is getting so effed up, it's unrecognizable.

    It would be funnier if it didn't foreshadow the inevitable undoing of our union. I'm glad I'm too old to have to really watch it unravel.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That's a rather bigoted comment, don't you think?
    Yes, rather. But it's only there to make light of the one you made.

    Using religion to discriminate and oppress another group people is not a government protected right for anyone.
    That's true whether it's the religious person being oppressive or it's the religious person being oppressed. That's why we have an establishment clause and a free exercise clause.

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    Why not just see where this goes? The people who are arguing hardest for it are social conservatives who do not want it but are angry with same-sex couples having the right. Are they going to make all the arguments for those who want polygamy until it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy?

    The polygamists are inspired by the dissent to the ruling, that should tell you something. Justice Roberts makes it seem like there is no discussion or debate to be had on polygamy since same-sex couples were recognized to have the right to marry and his rhetoric sets this stage. If history will blame anyone for polygamy becoming legal, it will be him because he refused to acknowledge that there are significant differences between same-sex marriage and polygamy and that set the precedent for similarly simplistic thinking for other courts and political leaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Hey, you spend the next 50 years campaigning for your right to have three wives, including your sister, and get the law changed, and change majority opinion, and get it ruled constitutional, and fight discrimination, go ahead. Knock yourself out, but don't try to hang onto the coat-tails of LGBT people's struggles, martyrdom and victories.
    once again, someone tries to falsely connect incest with polygamy. If that is all you have give it up now. The two are as related as incest and homosexuality
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    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Sounds like an argument for incest marriage.
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    once again, someone tries to falsely connect incest with polygamy. If that is all you have give it up now. The two are as related as incest and homosexuality
    I have no interest in whether they are or not. Not my battle. I know that neither have anything to do with SSM and can take no precedent from recent LGBT victories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    They provide all of the same benefits to society as monogamous heterosexual and homosexual marriages do........ so I am confused on how you can claim that it has to be shown.

    Tell you what, since I am apparently ignorant to this vast bit of knowledge that is obviously known to you regarding the benefits of monogamous homosexual and heterosexual relationships to society.... provide me a list of these benefits and we can see which of these same benefits apply to polygamous relationships as well.

    In light of the recent USSC decision, which didn't seem to focus very much on the BENEFITS of homosexual marriage as it seemed to focus on the equal protection of them, I am confused on how polygamy must somehow prove itself when homosexual marriage didn't.
    SCOTUS has already addressed how marriage between two people benefits both the couple and society at large in a number of previous decisions so they did not need to make a thorough review of those benefits in this one (though they did reference them). Experience has shown that married couples make more money, are less likely to be victims of domestic violence, have greater social mobility, longer life expectancies, provide a more stable environment for their children which results in them having higher levels of academic achievement, greater income, less likely to commit crimes or be abused, as well as a number of other benefits to society.

    Plural marriages have been shown to be strongly associated with a number of social ills such as arranged marriages, child abuse, and involuntary servitude. Even in its' most benign form, it tends to create a situation where wealthy men get to marry a disproportionate share of the available women leaving many men unable to enjoy the benefits of marriage due to a lack of available partners which leads to a number of social ills, most notably prostitution
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why not just see where this goes? The people who are arguing hardest for it are social conservatives who do not want it but are angry with same-sex couples having the right. Are they going to make all the arguments for those who want polygamy until it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy?

    The polygamists are inspired by the dissent to the ruling, that should tell you something. Justice Roberts makes it seem like there is no discussion or debate to be had on polygamy since same-sex couples were recognized to have the right to marry and his rhetoric sets this stage. If history will blame anyone for polygamy becoming legal, it will be him because he refused to acknowledge that there are significant differences between same-sex marriage and polygamy and that set the precedent for similarly simplistic thinking for other courts and political leaders.
    No need to "worry" about Roberts. Should a polygamy case come before him, I'm sure he'll find many legal justifications for denying legal recognition of their marriage(s)
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